thanks for the summary old101. i knew about the thread, but was too lazy to do what you just did.
i lurk at fsd facebook pages, no mention of the kanata switch anywhere.
So I'm seeing a 3 day intensive course with real qualified people, training materials, and some small amount of oversight. That sounds like a real step forward for the school.
Agreed, looks like D'Amour will have to go for a level 2 Certification in about a year.
Originally Posted by n00b
I am also assuming the $3500.00 USD for the course and the Monthly $350.00 USD he is paying for ATT is MUCH less than the fees he has paid and is paying to FSD and he is getting info from real professional fighters.
I'm not a big fan of three day intensives but ATT is the first MMA team and judging by the $, they won't be the last to offer such certification.
But as long as they don't give out belts I can learn to live with it as long as the coaching is top notch.
Welcome to Canada American Top Team
Minor Update on Stupid Number Stuff with Strange Commentary
If fsd does not have Arnprior or Kanata schools operating, that reduces the number of schools to 22. Shrinkage, I thought that only happened in cold water.
Congrats. The ratio of instructor to school has changed!
Old = .708 instructors per school
New = .772 instructors per school
Assumption 1 - Instructors leave their heads at home.
Assumption 2 - If the trend continues, with fsd management ousting disgruntled instructors and replacing them, but losing an actual physical address in the process, the ratio of instructor to school will increase.
Assumption 3 - Other instructors may now consider breaking away from fsd and hooking up with an ATT type outfit. They can keep that share of the profit they kickback to the fsd mother-ship. They continue to teach "Mfsd" and add MMA. It would at least cut operating costs. If they are doing the work to earn the money, they should keep the money. Get that monkey off you backs!
Assumption 4 - I should never make assumptions.
Assumption 5 - All of fsd related blogs would have terminated long ago, if only jp would have come clean and admit the many fibs he told about qualifications, what he actually was teaching, and his history - which now includes his childhood. Even the kids must have figured out that the posters in the many threads of this forum and others can't all be wrong.
All that was asked of fsd is show us the beef. All that jp has indicated is what comes out of the rear end of the beef. I suppose given enough time, fsd could actually earn the credentials that they had claimed in the past.
Smug as a Slug in a Spud :new_silly
So my question would be what real MMA qualifications does this place have?
Is this (aside from ATT) a fitness MMA place or do they plan on producing fighters?
Originally Posted by Canatron
That's two questions. The answer to the first is, they have ATT Level 1 Certification. What that entails has been posted.
Originally Posted by demne
Second question, well nobody knows yet. The place is pretty new and Stephane doesn't post here.
yep, I count 2 questions
Originally Posted by demne
1) Like I said, I'm not a big fan of weekend certs but lets see where this goes for the first ATT school in Canada.
Level 1 ATT certification is basic positions, shrimping and strikes nothing complex just an MMA Base see American top team ....say it aint so thread Liborio explains in detail what is taught in the 3 days and says he will hold participants to a high standard (how high does that have to be for $3500.00 USD is the question and if they don't meet the standards do they get their money back?)
2) MAYBE if he hires real fighters to teach he will do fine.
IMHO If he teaches MMA himself it won't last long or it will cater to kids and families for MMA Fitness.There are too many other schools in Kanata that have experienced MMA fighters and BJJ Instructors for people who want real MMA it'll be a hard sell if he has no pros
Here are more details:
Business Launch Manual – about 20 pgs
Overview offers a few suggested ways to implement the program
Marketing Overview – they receive a Large Vinyl Banner, 2 Window Clings, and Ad Slicks on a Marketing CD to use for promoting
Also includes Simple instructions for an ATT Launch Seminar
Includes selling tips for group enrollment conference
Includes a suggested class structure with a guide to a rewarding students outside of traditional belt testing
Includes Retail Sales tips and info on ATT Merchandise access
General Background about MMA history and rules to educate new ATT Curriculum owners –to assist in the Q&A portion of “selling” the program.
Instructor Manual – about 30 pgs
Intended only to supplement the DVD’s – the bulk of the classes lies on the DVD’s
Includes some stretching and Warm-Ups – though many schools prefer to use their typical stretching/warm-up routine
2 Training DVD’s with the first 8 classes are complete – Extensive information about this is only available at the certification
Rough overview of first 8 classes
Class 1 goes through an introduction to Basic stance s, f ootwork, strikes, jabs, clinches, takedowns, and groundwork
Class 2 focuses on Pummeling – integrated with what was learned in Class 1
Class 3 focuses on Kicking – integrated with prior class lessons
Class 4 focuses on Takedown Techniques – integrated with prior class lessons
Class 5 focuses on Blocking – integrated with prior class lessons
Class 6 focuses on Setting up Takedowns – integrated with prior class lessons
Class 7 focuses on Deflecting – integrated with prior class lessons
Class 8 focuses on Advanced Kicks – integrated with prior class lessons
There will be a total of 24 classes- but the remaining classes are still in final stages of editing/authoring- Great outlines don’t exist just yet.
Classes are designed to be fairly turn-key.
Each class outline includes the following:
An estimate of how much time will be required to watch the relevant portion of DVD
List of necessary equipment for class
Recommended Schedule to take approximately an hour
Typically includes stretching/warm-up, instruction, solo drills, partner drills, review, cool down
At the certification you will learn how you can actually make the classes more specific and by splitting every class into 3 separate classes based on Strikes, Takedowns, and Groundwork.
Spoke to someone on the inside. Stephane D'Amour chose to leave the Patenaude organization to take his business independent. I imagine this is because he will save himself a lot of money in franchise type fees now, while still keeping his students. With the affiliation with ATT, he will attract a new group of members, so things should only go up from here.
Originally Posted by Shifty
So judging by your statement Stephane left of his own free will and decided he would do better without fsd.
There is no doubt he will attract more members because of ATT, but will it be the weekend warrior type( families) or people that are ready and willing to compete?