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    Quote Originally Posted by TheDingo View Post
    Anyone else notice that while in text it's signed "Sifu Martin" the image he has a new title of sibok....

    Interesting...
    Well, it used to be that he was 'Sifu' and he was the only one. Then others became Sifus too, so he had to have something special, so he got a red sash. Now others have red sashes, so it's not too surprising.

    The creation of levels and inner circles must proceed apace to keep the people happy and attached, even the teachers. Didn't someone say that was how cults do it too?
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    Isn't Sibok, Spock's older brother?
    "Sifu, I"m niether - I'm a fire dragon so don't **** with me!"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Askari View Post
    Isn't Sibok, Spock's older brother?
    The one who was always declaring it to be Opposite Day, in clear defiance of logic? Yeah.

    In traditional CMA's, Sibok means 'senior uncle', a peer of your instructor, but with more time training in that style. Sisuk would be 'junior uncle'.

    It's a common mistake to think of these as formal ranks to be awarded, rather than a relational system showing how you're connected with fellow practitioners.

    (and Sijo should be at the very least a posthumous title, and often a legendary one)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chili Pepper View Post
    It's a common mistake to think of these as formal ranks to be awarded, rather than a relational system showing how you're connected with fellow practitioners.
    While the original meaning may be a relational system, they are very much ranks within FSD from what I can see. Although they are not 'belts' per se. For instance, at one point senior instructors became eligible to be 'Sifu X' if they had a black belt AND a school for at least 2 years.
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    I posted this a while back but just for reference....Note the date 1990, Jacques had been training since 1970!

    I found this in an article from the Ottawa Citizen dated April 27, 1990.

    "Two decades of training has paid off for martial artist Jacques Patenaude, who became si-bok last month at a convention of the International Wing Chun Do Association in Seattle.

    The title means he is senior to other instructors in the association."
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    Well, I was wondering if it was more of a sign that Martini is more officially the new Jacques.

    Guess not, I just hadn't seen Martini refer to himself as Sibok before.

    Editted to add: Just did a scan of Martini's blogs, and May 15th he was just referring to himself as Sifu, but on the May 18th blog he started referring to himself with the Sibok title.

    Edit a second time: I should have read the blog...

    Quote Originally Posted by Martini's blog
    To my surprise my father presented me with the title of SIBOK. Which means "Uncle".

    The kind of "Protector" of the system placing me 2nd in command.

    You can imagine my reaction. I was speechless and full of emotion.
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    I googled Sibok Martin and came up with this link:

    http://www.editionap.ca/newspaper/in...d=15688&bg=bg2

    What I found interesting is that,
    a) seajoe says a fortune teller says he was a samurai in a former life
    b) he withholds Demille's name but says he studied with a student of Bruce Lee
    c) He mentions his only other training was in boxing and karate starting at age 9 (not his multiple black belts and mastery from that has previously been claimed -- he is starting to settle on something closer to reality)

    Someone with better french than I might provide better insight, or correct any mis-interpretation that I got from it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheDingo View Post

    Guess not, I just hadn't seen Martini refer to himself as Sibok before.
    Just ran this past my Cantonese wife, these terms are a lot like sensei, you get referred to as sifu-x or whatever because you deserve them, you've earned that respect, it's not an awarded title.

    I also asked her what would happen happen if someone said they were a sifu without the reputation to back it up, she said "gong sau!" basically.

    The cantonese don't suffer fools lightly, i know!
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    Good work TheDingo! For posterity's sake I'm pasting the article here -

    L'ART DU KUNG-FU
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    CASSELMAN - Les écoles de Kung-fu Patenaude fêtent cette année leur 30e anniversaire, fortes d’une réputation bien établie et de milliers d’élèves. De Toronto à Québec, ce ne sont pas moins de 25 écoles qui offrent des cours d’arts martiaux à des personnes de tous âges. L’une d’elles est située à Casselman, où l’incursion semble nous transporter tout droit en Asie.


    En entrant dans cette école, l’on ressent aussitôt un sentiment de calme et de sérénité. La vaste salle de classe toute en bois et les grandes fenêtres donnant sur la cour boisé et où se trouve un ruisseau invitent à la méditation. L’école elle-même arbore une architecture d’inspiration japonaise. Jacques Sijo Patenaude, le fondateur, précise que rien n’est fortuit dans cette impression, puisque l’emplacement et la disposition de chaque chose ont été étudiés avec soin. Seuls hics : la proximité de l’autoroute 417 et… les castors, trop envahissants à son goût.


    Comment un «petit gars» d’Embrun, fils de fermiers modestes, a-t-il pu réaliser un tel succès commercial? «Très jeune, une voyante m’avait dit que j’étais un samouraï dans une vie antérieure», lance le quinquagénaire, avec un sourire.


    La méthode Fang Shen Do Kung-fu utilisée par M. Patenaude se veut un art où la spiritualité occupe une large place. Pour ce grand maître (traduction de Sijo), l’essentiel est de trouver sa propre voie et de d’acquérir une richesse intérieure afin de devenir un meilleur être humain. Vivre le moment présent et prendre conscience que le but de la vie est d’être heureux constituent aussi les défis de chaque instant.


    Cette voie, le papa de quatre enfants et grand-père autant de fois, affirme l’avoir trouvée d’abord dans ses cours de boxe et de karaté alors qu’il n’avait que neuf ans. Plus tard, il se rend à des séminaires de connaissance personnelle. De 1975 à 1991, il se perfectionne en compagnie d’un élève se Bruce Lee, dont il préfère taire le nom. Tous ces apprentissages le mèneront à développer, avec l’aide de son épouse Linda, sa propre philosophie du Fang Shen Do Kung-fu.


    Plus qu’un sport, un véritable art


    Cet art martial, qui se veut unique, propose trois volets dans son enseignement : sécurité personnelle, santé et mise en forme, et développement personnel. Le fondateur précise qu’il s’agit d’un véritable style de vie qui inculque des techniques menant à un épanouissement à la fois physique, mental et spirituel. Tout ce qui est appris sert ensuite dans les autres sphères de la vie de l’élève.


    Ainsi, les cours offrent un programme complet comprenant, entre autres, méditation, salutation particulière, visualisation, étirements, autodéfense et entraînement divers. Des programmes pour les couples et même les femmes enceintes existent. À l’occasion, des ateliers sur l’art d’être un parent et l’auto-motivation sont offerts.


    Le maniement d’armes (couteau, bâtons, épée et autres) est enseigné de même que la marche sur le feu et le verre. Le pli de flèches sur la gorge ainsi que le cassage de briques ou de planches de bois et ce, avec les mains, coudes ou la tête, font partie des trucs que les élèves peuvent apprendre. Car, bien sûr, l’on ne vous obligera en rien. Le rythme de chacun est respecté et le tout, bien encadré.


    L’article complet paraîtra dans la prochaine édition du Reflet.

    Sur la photo, on aperçoit Martin Sibok (à gauche) et son père Jacques Sijo Patenaude.
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    6/17/2009 9:11pm


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    Question: should we email the person who wrote the article (email address is on the article) the links to these threads? Or at least the stuff about Demille and ceejoe's previous claims?

    Though I don't know what it would do, a community newspaper doesn't want to poop in it's backyard, but it might give FSD less free coverage in the future.

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