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    4th looks like it'd lead to a broken arm/arm lock quite easily
    3rd would never happen against someone with any sort of sprawl
    2nd simply looks like uki goshi (floating hip)
    1st is seio nage

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    The 4th looks like he's putting himself right into a crucifix, more so than the regular fireman's.

    I've only rolled with one guy who said he did chinese wrestling. I don't know how good he was at it, but I tapped him pretty easily, and this was like my 3rd week of BJJ.

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    Quote Originally Posted by I Need To Get The **** Out Of DHS
    Bellow I have povided some links which demonstrate Shuai Jiao, or Chinese Wrestling. They appear to be useful.
    *Gouges out own eyes to avoid reading further*

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    Just do Judo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Bosco
    Okay, so it's not Bullshido approved.

    I've never really seen this style in action before. To me it looked very simlar to Judo type movements. Personally, I'll just stick with the good ol' Double Leg Shot

    two of the moves were nearly identical to judo techniques. and two of the moves look like they're very susceptable to common counters.

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    Hey, do you Judo guys take a person off balance before you execute the throw or do you just move right into the throw? The Judo I did a while ago just moved right into the throw. It was crappy Judo though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hands
    Hey, do you Judo guys take a person off balance before you execute the throw or do you just move right into the throw? The Judo I did a while ago just moved right into the throw. It was crappy Judo though.
    The off-balancing is considered an essential part of the throw, and is the first of the three theoretical stages in the throw (off-balancing, then entry, then execution).

    http://www.judoinfo.com/kuzushi.htm

    http://www.judoinfo.com/kuzushi1.htm

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    To the OP, if you want a real opinion beyond knee-jerking, PM Lord Asia. If I'm not mistaken, he has experience in Shuai Jiao, and he can give you an educated answer about the style in general and what you see in the clips in particular.

    The last one you are referring to, I've seen it done in Judo, as part of a counter if I remember correctly - for some reasons it reminds me of kouchi makikomi even though they are different animals.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eghDX0PNETM

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eghDX0PNETM

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Bosco
    But my question is are these techniques unique to Chinese Wrestling or are they just copies of certain Judo throws.
    Everytime a question like that comes to you, just remember that

    1. The human body has four limbs, a head, a neck, a hip and a torso, no matter the country where you find it. As a result, everything related to throwing people will eventually look the same.

    2. The uniqueness of techniques will be determined mostly by the rulesets.
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    Quote Originally Posted by El Macho
    To the OP, if you want a real opinion beyond knee-jerking, PM Lord Asia. If I'm not mistaken, he has experience in Shuai Jiao, and he can give you an educated answer about the style in general and what you see in the clips in particular.

    The last one you are referring to, I've seen it done in Judo, as part of a counter if I remember correctly - for some reasons it reminds me of kouchi makikomi even though they are different animals.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eghDX0PNETM



    Everytime a question like that comes to you, just remember that

    1. The human body has four limbs, a head, a neck, a hip and a torso, no matter the country where you find it. As a result, everything related to throwing people will eventually look the same.

    2. The uniqueness of techniques will be determined mostly by the rulesets.
    yes, reminded me of a kouchi gari/makikomi with an arm in there, but the angle of entry looks very dangerous for the elbow joint if executed on a resisting partner and as was already mentioned puts you right into a crucifix. i dunno the rules of shuai jiao, maybe their whole purpose is to get someone down. kouchi gari the worst that happens is you either miss the leg, or you catch the leg and fall with them and are in their guard/legs around bottom. the worst in the chinese version looks to be a hyperextended elbow.

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