Posted On:6/09/2007 2:24pm
only fags like ken shamrock use leglocks.
jokes aside, as a blue belt myself i've only just started getting interested in really trying for leg locks at all.
Posted On:6/09/2007 3:59pm
What you might want to do is try to play your lower body attacks more positionally.
Obligatory disclaimer: my last two tournament wins come from sliding ankle locks, so you should probably take my advice over, say, pizdoff's, if nothing else
We'll take the most basic lower leg attack: Vanilla ankle lock from guard. It's easy to start this, you just sit up and put that foot in your armpit.
Try playing this position to start passes. The fear of the ankle lock will get a lot of people to pull their knees up to their chest and do generally stupid things they would never do if you were obviously looking to pin a leg down and/or slide your knee through. You can quickly switch your grip on the caught foot, shift your shoulders and come out to reverse kesa.
I could seriously go on and on about this kindof thing but i'll ask if you want me to instead of just bore you.
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Posted On:6/09/2007 5:13pm
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Stop leg locking for awhile.
Your taking BJJ so try to learn BJJ. Its about position before submission. Its a positional game. That comes in handy when locking people up, punching from he ground or just controlling someone. You pay to learn BJJ so learn it all!
I too was a leg locker. I was known for it. Its awesome to know. You wont however get better if you just do the same thing over and over again.
I used to play all top game and I sucked at the bottom. so for a few weeks I always pulled guard, now my bottom is much better. Keep practicing your leg locks but dont empahasise them for awhile, you say you love them but you dont even know what else is out there. The point is, they can beat you, listen to them.
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Posted On:6/09/2007 6:22pm
Thanks for the feedback guys. As much as it pains me, I will try to phase them out of my game temporarily. I still think that during MMA sparring, I will go for them though. Guys do lots of stupid stupid things when trying to stop me from nailing the face with punches, and learning ot capitalize on that seems worthwhile and distinct from the skillset I already have.
Hedgehogey, that is great advice, and something I think I probably do subconciously, but I feel stupid for not planning it out. Any further tips you have are more than appreciated. Congrats on the tourny wins btw
Posted On:6/09/2007 10:37pm
Our last bjj instructor (we are rotating instructors for a while) told us we need to start learning ankle locks, leg locks etc. if only so we can recognize and defend against them. He told us lower belts are catching higher belts with them these days because they were neglected in training.
Posted On:6/09/2007 11:13pm
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Pfah, one thing I can't stand about BJJ doing ankle locks is that they fucking make it impossible to throw a real one on.
-leg has to be perfectly straight
-no bracing leg can come over the knee
No wonder so many low level BJJ guys and ones that didn't practice them correctly don't think leg locks work.....
Let me clarify that. The beginner rules in BJJ really don't allow for the proper application of a real straight ankle lock. I know they're trying to prevent knee injuries but which is worse, neck injuries or knee injuries. You should see how many bad chokes are thrown on. Hell I'm guilty of that myself sometimes.
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Posted On:6/09/2007 11:17pm
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Originally Posted by sdave
The obvious answer is that you should do what your coach says or find a new coach.
This is the best advice in the thread.
Originally Posted by UpaLumpa
Really? Seems to me that pretty much anytime you miss one you're in a worse position.
If you know what you're doing, after a failed leglock you should be recovering to either back in their guard, or butterfly guard. Depending on where you started the leglock, these may be the same position, or slightly worse, or slightly better.
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Posted On:6/09/2007 11:21pm
-no bracing leg can come over the knee
I've honestly never heard of that one.
Posted On:6/10/2007 12:39am
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Keep in mind that Omega lives in California, and California BJJ tournaments generally have the most psychotic rulesets I've ever seen. I think they mostly use IBJJF rules, which I hate. The midwest, which is where I'm used to competing, has a completely different, and much less insane, grappling scene.
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Posted On:6/10/2007 1:04am
Conversely, living in Jersey I'm used to NAGA and Grappler's Quest, where you can practically bring a knife onto the mat.
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