Calgary, AB Canada : Energy Lake System of Martial Arts

**It is Fake** · Posted On: 6/14/2007 12:18pm

Now, here we go.

O. Simon founder of Temple Kung Fu. http://www.zenshack.net/martialarts/...monhistory.htm

Now according to this website:
http://templekungforum.14.forumer.co...de6d66641acd70

This gentleman compiled a lineage tree of Moh Kempo:
http://www.zenshack.net/martialarts/mohfamilytree.pdf

Now, according to the linage tree, O simon and M Hilbig(?) worked or trained together.
M. Hilbig trained P. McAndrews who trained Brian Leishman.

Energy Lake Kung Fu Studios was originally owned by Brian Leishman.
http://www.whitelotussystem.com/

The schools were sold and the copyright was purchased by Gary Braniff. According to correspondence, Gary Braniff wasn't taught Leishman's White Lotus system.

Leishman also confirms that Gary did train and become an instructor of the original system called Energy Lake Kung Fu.

**It is Fake** · Posted On: 6/14/2007 12:20pm

Originally Posted by It is Fake

Now, here we go.

O. Simon founder of Temple Kung Fu. http://www.zenshack.net/martialarts/...monhistory.htm

Now according to this website:
http://templekungforum.14.forumer.co...de6d66641acd70

This gentleman compiled a lineage tree of Moh Kempo:
http://www.zenshack.net/martialarts/mohfamilytree.pdf

Now, according to the linage tree, O simon and M Hilbig(?) worked or trained together.
M. Hilbig trained P. McAndrews who trained Brian Leishman.

Energy Lake Kung Fu Studios was originally owned by Brian Leishman.
http://www.whitelotussystem.com/l

The schools were sold and the copyright was purchased by Gary Braniff. According to correspondence, Gary Braniff wasn't taught Leishman's White Lotus system.

If you believe Braniff's training history he is teaching a form of Kempo.

**It is Fake** · Posted On: 6/14/2007 4:24pm

One little tid bit that I find interesting, Leishman says the original system was non-combative.

Take that as you will.

**eyebeams** · Posted On: 6/14/2007 5:05pm

Originally Posted by It is Fake

One little tid bit that I find interesting, Leishman says the original system was non-combative.

Take that as you will.

Well, Margie Hilbig apparently had ranks in American Kenpo and Chinwoo CMA, but when she and Simon were together, they allegedly studied karate from a book, then picked stuff up as they went along. This thread:

http://templekungforum.14.forumer.co...?t=39&start=25

is interesting in that regard.

**It is Fake** · Posted On: 6/14/2007 5:22pm

Yes. That is why I kept digging. It was to fascinating to stop.

Seriously, she writes a book stating that they learned from books. Then continues to teach Martial Arts and people keep coming to learn from basically, an admitted fraud.

It just shows you how clouded people can become.

I know she may know stuff now but still.....makes you wonder.

**eyebeams** · Posted On: 6/14/2007 5:45pm

Originally Posted by It is Fake

Yes. That is why I kept digging. It was to fascinating to stop.

Seriously, she writes a book stating that they learned from books. Then continues to teach Martial Arts and people keep coming to learn from basically, an admitted fraud.

It just shows you how clouded people can become.

I know she may know stuff now but still.....makes you wonder.

Is somebody who admits where they learned their stuff really a fraud? I don't know what she was claiming when she and Simon were training together.

I've also read that, back then, Simon was supposed to be competent:

http://www.kungfu4u.com/_disc3/00000990.htm

I have a feeling that this kind of thing was par for the course until the 60s. In the US, you have Robert Trias, Ed Parker and a bunch of other guys who picked up training piecemeal. I have a feeling that, aside from judo, you'd be hard pressed to find an ironclad martial arts lineage outside of ethnic enclaves before the 60s. Hilbig seems to have "filled in" her training; Simon didn't and then got t3h crazy.

AFAIK, the leading edge of legitimate Karate in Canada was Mas Tsuruoka and Chito-ryu in the 50s. I met him; nice guy.

**It is Fake** · Posted On: 6/14/2007 5:50pm

Originally Posted by eyebeams

Is somebody who admits where they learned their stuff really a fraud? I don't know what she was claiming when she and Simon were training together.

I've also read that, back then, Simon was supposed to be competent:

http://www.kungfu4u.com/_disc3/00000990.htm

I have a feeling that this kind of thing was par for the course until the 60s. In the US, you have Robert Trias, Ed Parker and a bunch of other guys who picked up training piecemeal. I have a feeling that, aside from judo, you'd be hard pressed to find an ironclad martial arts lineage outside of ethnic enclaves before the 60s. Hilbig seems to have "filled in" her training; Simon didn't and then got t3h crazy.

AFAIK, the leading edge of legitimate Karate in Canada was Mas Tsuruoka and Chito-ryu in the 50s. I met him; nice guy.

Now with other training no.

From what I gathered on the threads she didn't admit this until after they were famous. She wrote a book that stated they made up their techniques. IMO that does make it fraudulent at the time.

I'm not trying to say she is now.

**eyebeams** · Posted On: 6/14/2007 5:57pm

Originally Posted by It is Fake

Now with other training no.

From what I gathered on the threads she didn't admit this until after they were famous. She wrote a book that stated they made up their techniques. IMO that does make it fraudulent at the time.

Oh, I agree there.

I wonder if the people they produced back then could fight? I vaguely remember reading that it was based on Oyama's big old manual.

**It is Fake** · Posted On: 6/14/2007 6:15pm

Originally Posted by eyebeams

Oh, I agree there.

I wonder if the people they produced back then could fight? I vaguely remember reading that it was based on Oyama's big old manual.

Hmmm, that would be an interesting search I may take that up.

You know as well as I there are some people that can learn from books and such and make things work.

No it isn't for everyone but still who knows.