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  1. maddog is offline

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    6/08/2007 7:59am


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    Val Riazanov KGB super soldier

    Any one heard of this guy?

    http://www.valriazanov.com/aboutval.html

    He claims to be 6th dan in Judo, Master of sport in combat sambo, instructor of systema and a heavy weight champion of great britain.

    Here is some footage of him doing what mainly looks like systema punching.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3YjU97qS6s
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    6/08/2007 10:28am


     Style: Goju-Ryu, BJJ, MT

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    The striking sort of reminds me of a friend who does what I think is Systema (although he often refers to it as "Russian stuff"). He throws a punch, but relaxes his arm enough so that he uses the weight of his arm as well as the force generated with his legs, hips, etc. It adds a good amount of power. My only critique is that the arm may become easier to grab, since laxing it makes it harder to retract after impact.

    Has anyone else heard of this way of striking?
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    6/08/2007 6:20pm

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    A guy I train with in California makes business trips to London and has had several opportunities to train with him. He tells me he is very good and hits very hard. I've seen footage of him wrestling and would not find it hard to believe his credentials in Judo and Sambo.

    Jeff
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    Posted On:
    6/09/2007 7:02pm


     Style: Systema & BJJ

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    edit - mistaken identity (by me)

    and the striking described, is common in RMA
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    Posted On:
    6/09/2007 7:04pm


     Style: Systema & BJJ

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    **** never mind! Didn't watch the vid til after i posted. I mixed up the names....he wasnt the one i saw at the recent seminar
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    6/11/2007 10:16am


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    So how come someone with a solid background in Judo and Sambo (NON BULLSHIT MARTIAL ARTS) switches to Systema if it is all smoke and mirrors?
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    6/11/2007 10:36am


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    Just found this showing his Sambo, which looks very crisp.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0VorQ7OOQ8

    So then I started to think that maybe he has just taken the usful stuff and discarded all the non-contact stuff. Then I find this.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pOIUAGuD4gU

    So again it comes down to why does someone with his credentials choose to study systema?
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    6/11/2007 10:51am


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    maddog, you've been on the systema topic for quite some time now

    Its an interesting question. Yet probably comes with an answer that not many on this forum would accept.

    I'd say, if you've been interested for this long, and see some things in the art u like, then just dive into it and take an intro class, ask your questions there, and see what u can take away from it
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    6/11/2007 10:53am


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    I might check out a lesson. It does seem an art of contradictions.
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    Posted On:
    6/11/2007 11:12am

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    Quote Originally Posted by maddog
    I might check out a lesson. It does seem an art of contradictions.
    I have a thick streak of "show me," and after attending a Systema seminar I found that there's some value in what they do.

    That being said, you need to have a very open mind when attending the class. Do not enter in with preconceived notions on what a class should look like, what does or does not equal effective, etc. They did a LOT of drills that didn't have immediately evident end goals, but after doing some thinking, some asking, etc., there was value (in my mind, anyway) to what they were going toward.

    Also, a lot of the explanation isn't necessarily supposed to be taken as gospel/scientific explanation/etc. I got a strong feeling for the allegory - this "feels" like that, and so forth...

    Good luck.
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