Thread: Legitimate RBSD?
6/07/2007 4:51pm, #11Please point me towards these statistics.
So if you manage to even be the victim of a violent crime (and that percentage is actually pretty low too), you have a 2/3 chance of both receiving only minor injury or of there being no actual violence at all. And that's including all kinds of assaults. You try and pull up just what the stats on "bar brawls" would be and your chances would automatically better just by the removal of things like rape from that stat pool.
In turn, I'd like you to show any statistics you have to back up your assertion that "too many bar fights these days turn into violent confrontation involving weapons..."
My point with all this is that itís not worth getting into a fight just to protect your own fragile ego under the assumption that itís just a ďbrawlĒ and that the person will take their beating like a man and move on.
Most large cities (including where I live) have gang issues and the dumbass you get into it with in a bar might be waiting for you outside the bar afterwards with a few of his homies and/or some kind of weapon...
Iím not advocating a paranoid elomoresque mentality here, what Iím advocating is common sense in choosing when itís worth fighting and when itís better to just walk away.
6/07/2007 4:58pm, #12Nice!!! dude do you mind if I give this info to some of my less educated friends?
6/07/2007 5:22pm, #13
Now what about scenario based training (in addition to combat sport training) and multi opponent sparring?
6/07/2007 5:37pm, #14
I believe scenario training is of limited value to your average joe who is unable to predict with any likelyhood what type of situation he may be involved in and has no reason to train group tactics or much in the way of verbal skills. Cops do, which makes scenarios more beneficial for them. They have to make arrests, and so can do arrest scenarios. They can't just walk away when someone becomes belligerent but must stay and try to de-escalate the guy with verbals. They have to learn how to work together with other cops and utilize all their equipment. Your average joe doesn't have to do any of that. Also, your average martial hobbyist will not usually have enough time to train fighting fundementals as it is. So scenario time would be better spent on those, IMO. The one exception I can think of might be shoot/no shoot scenarios. Anyone who carries a firearm might have to make that call and could benefit from the training. Also, they can be hella fun, so...
As for multiples, I'm not good enough at fighting one person yet to waste any time trying to fight 3. And I would say that also applies to most hobbyists.
6/07/2007 5:38pm, #15
Originally Posted by Matt W.
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This post should be stickied in every Martial Arts forum in existence.
+Varrot to you, Matt!
6/07/2007 6:06pm, #16
Originally Posted by Matt W.
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6/07/2007 8:19pm, #17
LOL @ Spocompton. I'm not a native and the first time I heard that I was like, WTF??? There is, however, quite the growing gang problem here.
that place is as creepy as it gets at night!!!
And, Go Zags! (Though I will always be a Gator's fan...)
6/07/2007 11:03pm, #18out of 5.2 mil crimes of violence, only 1.7 mil resulted in "completed" or actual violence. Which is roughly 1/3. Also, out of that 5.2 mil, 2.5 mil (so, about 1/2) are simple assaults with no injury. The other .8 mil of simple assaults result in only minor injury.
My opinion is based on observation; I have not compiled actual statistics. When I was 18 it was rare for a club or bar to have metal detectors. These days several bars I use to frequent when I was that age have been closed down because of brawls that escalated into stabbings and now a lot of clubs in the city have metal detectors at the door.
We make quite few decisions in our lives which are meant to avoid things that have a low percentage of occurring but would inconvenience us greatly if they did (e.g think insurance). While itís true that a brawl probably wonít escalate into anything else, thereís still a chance that it will, so I pay for car and house insurance, and donít get into fights with people I donít know.
Sure. And again, I'm not really advocating either way. I'm just saying that if you want to brawl, learning how to fight is the way to be successful at it. And that's simple...
6/07/2007 11:42pm, #19
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I'm curious as to why BJJ and Muay Thai are always mentioned as arts perfect for self defense? Both arts are sport-driven, fashion techniques to deal with only one attacker at 12 o'clock, lack weapons defense techniques, and are not widely taught outside of a sporting context. Furthermore, few practitioners of said arts train in conditions that simulate "street" scenarios. Unfortunately, most TMA styles are guilty of the same faults. I really don't think the art matters so much as the method of training. The problem with sport-based systems, though, is that the rules encountered in the gym and the methods of attack are not seldom seen in street fights. Most street fights that I have seen involve wild, almost flailing attacks. Clean technique is a rarity. Also, anything can be used as a weapon, and you may never see the weapon until you get hit with it. To train for real self defense, I would think that a martial artist must spend some time preparing for such realities. Especially for bjj stylists, who won't have a soft mat to roll on in the street. A bjj practitioner would be a fool to believe that he can roll as well on the assphalt on a Las Vegas summer day (115 F on average) as he can on his nice soft mats in his air conditioned dojo. Preparing for the environment is a must. Strikers must also be aware of the fact that they may not have the room to maneuver in a street fight. Altercations don't always take place in a 16' x 16' space.
6/07/2007 11:45pm, #20Originally Posted by kenpostudent
Been discussed, use the search function.
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