Thread: Seio Nage as an arm break.
6/05/2007 5:32pm, #1
Seio Nage as an arm break.Originally Posted by Plasma
So is there any real evidence to suggest that the arm break was the original intention of Seio Nage?
That is an edited quote of Plasma's, for the whole post and thread check here:
6/05/2007 6:20pm, #2
Originally Posted by ojgsxr6
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I've thrown guys in gyakute and there was more risk to injuring them, and some said their elbow really hurt, but I've never actually broken anyones arm with it. It also made it harder for them to do ukemi.______
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6/05/2007 6:59pm, #3
It's pretty hard to break somebody's arm like that, IMO, you might click it on the way, but if they aren't retarded, they're going to roll it over, not let it break.
6/05/2007 8:23pm, #4
I do JJ so when we go in for the throw it is with the intent of breaking or at least doing some damage to your opponent's elbow (plus throwing them on their head). Uke's arm is rigid when you're loading them up and at this point we're taught to control, straighten and snap their arm down on our shoulder as we throw.
In a training setting we support their upper arm/shoulder so as to not cause injury.
Of course since I've never seen anyone getting their arm broken I don't know if it would really work but it hurts and I think there's a good reason why people hate being thrown in this way at our dojo.
Last edited by Lily; 6/06/2007 2:37am at . Reason: distracted
6/05/2007 9:13pm, #5
The first animated gif in the link is how I was taught to do Ippon Seio Nage.
See how he is dropping down to load the guy on his hips (also pulling with the sleeve). I don't see how you would get enough leverage to break the guys arm, no matter which way the guys arm is positioned (elbow up or elbow down).
Ok, so lets say you don't drop down, so now you have enough leverage to break the arm. How do you do the throw without muscling it?
6/05/2007 9:34pm, #6
That gif is not quite how we do it (unless we're babying the tori). We hold their arm differently as already explained by Asia, plus we don't rely on the gi sleeve being there.
No one said you need to keep upright to have leverage to break their arm. As you're going in for the throw, basic concepts like breaking your uke's balance, body alignment, grip, the initial loading on the hips and the quick back thrusting footwork (not shown well in that link) means you don't need to use muscle. But if you got it, use it (p.s. - I'm throwing guys 50-100lb heavier than me with this, albeit muscling it a little more at the top end of the scale.)
Last edited by Lily; 6/06/2007 2:39am at . Reason: same mistake twice, bad girl
6/06/2007 1:26am, #7I do JJ so when we go in for the throw it is with the intent of breaking or at least doing some damage to your opponent's elbow (plus throwing them on their head). Tori's arm is rigid when you're loading them up
6/06/2007 2:00am, #8
Don't use the double negative Cracky.
Generally there are no retards where I train so they're not going to let their arm be held that way as they're thrown.
6/06/2007 2:07am, #9
Exactly, making this technique, and thread, redundant.
6/06/2007 2:12am, #10
Tell that to the OP, he's somehow convinced he has discovered something new. :byewhore: