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  1. Pandinha is offline

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    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    Quote Originally Posted by sdave
    They said 2mg/day, so IIRC, 5.4 units/day.
    Are they on fucking crack?

    5 IU's gives me a headache from Hell, heat flashes, and fucking nervous energy.
    Quote Originally Posted by Sifu Rudy Abel
    "Just what makes a pure grappler think he can survive with an experienced striker. Especially if that striker isn't following any particular rule set and is well aware of what the grapplers strategies are".
  2. hungryjoe is online now
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    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    For a couple of years our pediatrician has been recommending HGH for my oldest daughter.

    She will be 12 in September, but last week's X-ray of her hand shows skeletal development of about 8 1/2 years.

    She has no health issues and is the total package - just very petite. Her friends call her mighty midget.

    We have an apointment with an endocrinologist in one week.

    I am looking everywhere for answers to ask this specialist regarding any known long term issues with HGH and children.

    The only down side I see from not taking this is delayed puberty development - her friends are starting and she is not. She is entering middle school this year, so there may be some embarassment for her regarding her lack of development in the next couple of years.

    As we are 30K+ members, would those with serious comments please post questions/facts that I can put to the doctor on our visit - both pro and con HGH.
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    Posted On:
    8/05/2007 10:39am

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    Con - It's expensive. Unless insurance will be covering it (possible, but not too likely), then you could be looking at as much as a few thousand dollars a month (and at a minimum, several hundred). It's no surprise that Anthony is the only one who's mentioned using 5IU in a day. Expense is relative though. A few grand a month might be chump change for you, and even if it's not, it may still be a sacrifice you'd gladly make for your little girl (I would).

    Pro - Your girl can catch up to (possibly surpass) her classmates and enjoy a fantastic sense of confidence and well being. She might also end up dating really tall guys and marrying a pro-baller one day thus ensuring you a very comfortable retirement.
    Dave

    Quote Originally Posted by jnp
    That is exactly what I meant sdave. You are dead on, as usual.
  4. hungryjoe is online now
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    Posted On:
    8/05/2007 11:17am

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    Thanks sdave for jumping in.

    Quote Originally Posted by sdave
    Con - It's expensive. Unless insurance will be covering it (possible, but not too likely), then you could be looking at as much as a few thousand dollars a month (and at a minimum, several hundred). It's no surprise that Anthony is the only one who's mentioned using 5IU in a day. Expense is relative though. A few grand a month might be chump change for you, and even if it's not, it may still be a sacrifice you'd gladly make for your little girl (I would).
    I have no doubt that the insurance company BC/BS will claim this as cosmetic and initially deny. Tests will be made (I was wrong - the apointment is for early September) to determine how much of the growth hormone her body is producing. Luckily I know someone in the state insurance commisioner's office that I can turn to for help after the initial expected insurance denial.

    The expense is not chump change for me, but is do-able if it is determined this is the course to take. This is my daughter - one of two and a true blessing.

    My main concern is lack of information on long term effects. We see drugs pulled yearly after it is found to have adverse effects - this after all of the clinical trials and FDA approval.

    Quote Originally Posted by sdave
    Pro - Your girl can catch up to (possibly surpass) her classmates and enjoy a fantastic sense of confidence and well being. She might also end up dating really tall guys and marrying a pro-baller one day thus ensuring you a very comfortable retirement.
    From what I have read, the expected overall height gain in girls is 1 1/2 to 2", but the self confidence factor is one consideration. Her expected height without this treatment (from the pediatrician - whom we really like and respect) is approximately 4'9".

    The second consideration is that she is very athletic - gymnastics in the past, dance and now practicing MA for the past 4 years. At times her ankles and knee have bothered her. I talked her out of continuing gymnastics years ago for fear of the hammering her body was placing on young developing joints. The HGH could help her catch up on skeletal development.
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    Posted On:
    8/05/2007 11:36pm


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    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    FWIW, a friend of mine was on HGH into her 20s for similar developmental issues. Her dad was a physician and her mom was a nurse, so I'm sure they did their due diligence, but I don't know if the research has changed since then.
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