6/08/2007 1:44pm, #61Originally Posted by SUSHI SASHIMI
6/08/2007 1:52pm, #62Originally Posted by Neildo
I swing up and over the fence using the rope.
if that were a real gun, that would weigh more than you do, sir.
6/10/2007 12:14am, #63
- Join Date
- Aug 2006
- Shaw AFB
PDW concept still makes a shiat load of sense. How many of you jokers have ever been a crewman on a combat helo? Not a shiat load of space to store a fricken carbine for a crew chief 2 pilots and a co-gunner. The PDW concept wasnt about the power of the gun but the compact nature of it. an M4 isnt the end all be all and is CERTAINLY large enough to impede alot of the guys who are issued it for lack of anything else. The USAF and Army have pretty much used up all the MP5's we ever had so crewmen are being issued ONE m4 per aircraft and everyone else stuck with a pistol
bullet size aside id rather have a full auto, fast loading 40 round magged MP7 than an M9 with 2 mags and a prayer.
Of further note is the training requirement. Most of the time spent needed to train folks like us AF-weenies on personal weapons is disassembly and cleaning. the M16 class sucks for that. If they replaced it with a more reliable less stoppage prone weapon, training time would actually DECREASE and proficency with the weapon increase. Maintaining the MP5K's we had back at my last station was easy because they were kept in a case on the aircraft. Clean it once a week, test fire, then store it. Not possible with M-4s as Ms Lynch found out...
6/10/2007 12:52am, #64
^ You raise some good points - the M-4 needs replacing and it will get it soon with the M-8. My problem with the PDW concept are the minute, armor piercing bullets. I have seen BGs laugh off a few rounds of 9mm - how do you think a bullet will fare that is smaller than a .22 and doesn't have the mass to sustain it's velocity? Five or six hit won't mean much, especially with an AP round. Just how many terrorists are using body armour, and how bad do you suck if you can put a few rounds in his face off a draw?
Oh yeah, you airsoft people are no better than ninjers. Own any stainless steel katanas to round out your collection?
6/10/2007 2:48am, #65
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- May 2007
I think the MP7 is gay!
6/10/2007 3:45am, #66Originally Posted by SFGOON
And no, I no longer have any katanas. The ones I make keep shattering because I can't heat treat them correctly.
6/10/2007 7:02am, #67
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- Dec 2006
- Appleton, WI
- MMA, BJJ
I think the PDW concept, done correctly, would be fine. Get the right ammo and design something low maintenance/low failure and you're good to go.
On the other hand, as a guy who was a REMF.....more training would also be alot more helpful. But yeah, it'd be nice to have better gear than third hand stuff.
6/10/2007 10:44am, #68Originally Posted by SUSHI SASHIMI
Airsoft, like ninj?tsu, is masturbation.
Originally Posted by bloodline
6/10/2007 12:13pm, #69Originally Posted by SFGOON
6/10/2007 1:48pm, #70Originally Posted by SFGOON
Like I do when I go to Tae Kwon Do, it's for fun, it's not like I'm taking that **** seriously.