what do you guys think of wing chun

**ksmythe** · Posted On: 10/07/2002 6:24pm

I have heard about this incident at a Leung Ting seminar also, it is supposed to have occured in NYC before the Colonge incident. However there are numerous versions of the story none of which can be verified.

Yeah, Leung Ting also makes the same claim that Cheung does, namely that he was closed door student of Ip Man and he learned the all the secrets from the man himself. Although LT is definately a scheisster in my book (Yeah, matzabowl I've actually met the guy ) I would say his approach is a bit more palatable than Cheung's.

"You were bored .... so you thought you'ld try some kung fu"

**matzahbal** · Posted On: 10/07/2002 7:11pm

ksmythe, for somebody who "studied" at a Ip Ching school, you're still a putz. Yeah, I name call, but I call them as I see them. Of course you proceed to show how clever you are and come up with "matzacrap"...very good.

As far as my knowledge in Wing Chun, I've been studying for over a year, but I know it's far superier than anyother system I have studied, and I try to learn everything I can about it. But hey, proceed to Mr. Knowitall.

As far you meeting Leung Ting, I personaly don't trust anybody who's number 2 guy drives a car worth more than a 3 bedroom house in the nice part of town.

"But some apes they gotta go, so we kill the ones we don't know" - 'Ape shall never kill Ape' by The Vandals

**ksmythe** · Posted On: 10/07/2002 7:31pm

Matzah that's all you can come up with? Ad hominen attacks? Pathetic... I can only image how pathetic your WC is. First of all, you made the claim that all I do is talk sh*t about people I don't know. No I mostly talk sh*t about people I have met, seen or know. I thought I'd through the LT reference in before I talked sh*t about him to keep you happy.
Instead you went off on some irrational tangent about expensive cars. Where the fuk did that come from?

Your statement about not trusting someone simply because his number 2 man drives an expensive car ( which we all know is a reference to Keith Kernspecht) shows how simply irrational you are.

From your demeanor, ignorance and naitivity do I even have to ask if you are a WCKFC student?

"You were bored .... so you thought you'ld try some kung fu"

Edited by - ksmythe on October 07 2002 19:33:58

**SGTStG** · Posted On: 10/07/2002 7:45pm

I think Tsuguri has either given up on this post, or is sitting back in his chair laughing at you guys. How is WC ever going to be considered a viable art if all we ever do is sit back and bitch about it's masters? I get it. Our art is so good that there is no one else who can contend with us, so we have to fight among ourselves. Is that the image we are trying to portray?

**ksmythe** · Posted On: 10/07/2002 7:48pm

No it's crap. WC is pure unadulterated crap. People like Little_Ideas and matzahbal can give their WC/WT/VT apologetics all day long and it isn't going to change that.

"You were bored .... so you thought you'ld try some kung fu"

**SGTStG** · Posted On: 10/07/2002 8:31pm

Well if WC is crap for you, then don't practice it, but you don't have to belittle others if it is the right art for them. What art would you suggest? TKD?

**CharkJong** · Posted On: 10/08/2002 1:33am

Ive been training 3 years full time under Jim Fung, one of Tsui Shun Tins Students. And as far as im concerned the system is the most effective martial art out there. its simple, direct and practical. I don't realy care what anyone else says and its a waste of time threatening people on the net or talking **** like a lot of you people do.
Whether you agree with me or not i simply don't care.
So why not spend more time training in whatever art you find is legitimate and less time arguing over the fine print.

9chambers · Posted On: 10/08/2002 1:55am

&gt;Emin is scheduled to be in Chicago on November 1st.

Cool, I will try to go to that one.

&gt;"On Single Combat" - book

I'll look for it. If nothing else I will assume that its available on amazon.com

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I was looking at the book Ip Chun and his student Michael Tse put out called, "Wing Chun Kung Fu, Traditional Chinese Kung Fu For Self-Defense and Health"

It has a history section that gives accounts of fights that Ip Man and other historical WC people took part in, both challenges and self-defense. The odd thing is that no fights are talked about in Ip Chun's section. Are there any stories about him out there? Has he been in any interesting fights? I am just curious.

&gt;&gt; Perhaps it was because I had an inherent skill for the science and never deviated from natural principles. - Miyamoto Musashi 1643

**CharkJong** · Posted On: 10/08/2002 2:15am

as far as my own research goes, im found that most of the first generation student of yip man. Wong shun long, Tsui shun Tin, Lok yu, Lueng Seung. and the second generation students Ip chun, Duncan wong, Jim fung, Bruce lee, william cheung, leung Tin. All fought challenege matches. As far as i can tell both Tsui shun tin, and wong shun long never lost. And the rest of them won more than they lost. Interesting fact was that when they won the fight the actually confrontation never lasted long than 30 secs. They were the famous roof top challenge fights in hong kong. Again this is just what ive heard and researched myself from some of the hong kong students.

**PeedeeShaolin** · Posted On: 10/08/2002 3:04am

Is it just me or do the names of those Kung Fu fighters seem ridiculous somehow? And those rooftop fights were about %110 bullshit. I heard William Cheung describe one in an old issue of Inside Kung Fu and it sounded like he was describing a scene from Kung Fu Theatre. It was basically a bunch of young Chinese crackpots who climb up on rooftops like chimpanzees and sparred for about 20 minutes after their Kung Fu class. Can you see these guys REALLY trying to make the crap they were taught WORK on each other? It would be a scene out of Kung Pow. If we had videotape footage of that **** we coulod sell it for comedy and sit back on easy street.

Hey, just my 2 cents.

"Do not become entranced by impractical or useless movements. Do not be categorized as one who "Learns all there is to know about less and less until he ends up learning everything there is to know about nothing." -Ed Parker