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  1. shmuel is offline

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fitz
    Most venues also have security requirements for events related to their insurance policites.
    Right, but there's a difference between that and then having a bunch of guys with suits and attitudes surrounding a teacher as he walks into the room and onto the stage. That's what I heard went on at some taikais. Apparently they were also keeping the unwashed masses away from Hatsumi so that no-one could get near him or speak to him. If that is true then it's pretty sad and cultish. He's a martial arts teacher not the POTUS.
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    I've only seen him on the rather splendid "Mind, Body and Kick Ass Moves" series on the BBC with Chris Crudelli. As a comparator, why do Boxers need Bodyguards? Well, because there is always a malcontent who thinks that his Sunday Punch could buckle a World Champ. Of course, this will usually be sneak attack etc. It allows for a boast if they are successful on, say, a featherweight but they wouldn't be likely to try it with Lennox Lewis "Well, he's too big" etc. They might also have the proverbial back up of a knife down their sock. That apart, I once had the privilege to attend a small seminar group led by Royce Gracie. What a gentleman! He rolled with everyone, signed everything, smiled genuinely in every photo and carried his own bag and left without entourage. Still, he's an exception. Sadly, it is still reasonable to expect some Minders to attend but suits and earphones?! Crikey.
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    Hi guys, this is my first post.

    With regards to the bodyguards, it's usually the organiser who either has a legal obligation to provide security, or it's a technical insurance policy. As for the dudes in the suits etc, I've only ever seen that at the American Tai Kai's. Those guys are for show, and probably reflect on the guy who organised/hosted the Tai Kai in the first place.

    Also, it can be seen as a case of respect. Think on it traditionally.

    Cheers
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    Quote Originally Posted by grow_up

    Also, it can be seen as a case of respect. Think on it traditionally.
    Traditionally?

    Which other traditional martial arts teacher is surrounded by bodyguards?

    BTW is it true that at Hatsumi's "seminars" he doesn't even teach anyone but instead does stuff on a stage wearing an Anthony Robbins-type microphone and that people have to watch him on big screens?
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    Okay, lets replace the word tradition with history. Historically, all his students present (and this goes for many martial arts of the kobudo and koryu veins) would be his "guards" per se, although that's such a vulgar way of putting it. If someone was to try and attack/challenge your teacher, as his students you would go first, and if you lose, then he steps in. As I said before, those "bodyguards" you mentioned was just another over the top Americanisation. I've only ever seen that at the USA Tai Kai's.

    Finally, at his seminars, there are fucking hundreds of people. He shows techniques on people on stage, then the participants attempt to learn the principles etc by doing the techniques on each other. During this time, he'll help people out that he sees struggling, and then onto the next technique/principle.

    Funny, I joined this forum to find out more information on that viral-fraud Ashida Kim...Ah well, discussion and debate is always necessary.

    Hope this helps
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    Quote Originally Posted by grow_up
    Okay, lets replace the word tradition with history. Historically, all his students present (and this goes for many martial arts of the kobudo and koryu veins) would be his "guards" per se, although that's such a vulgar way of putting it. If someone was to try and attack/challenge your teacher, as his students you would go first, and if you lose, then he steps in. As I said before, those "bodyguards" you mentioned was just another over the top Americanisation. I've only ever seen that at the USA Tai Kai's.

    Finally, at his seminars, there are fucking hundreds of people. He shows techniques on people on stage, then the participants attempt to learn the principles etc by doing the techniques on each other. During this time, he'll help people out that he sees struggling, and then onto the next technique/principle.

    Funny, I joined this forum to find out more information on that viral-fraud Ashida Kim...Ah well, discussion and debate is always necessary.

    Hope this helps
    Honestly, hoards of Tabi wearing Bujinkan Ninja doesn't inspire fear. Sorry.

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    Everybody needs somebody. Nobody is invincible.:kermit:
    What am I?:

    I am ignorant, thieving, lying, hypocrital, violent and thoroughly self obssessed. I steal from others to make myself look better, only to make the item or information worse.

    I go on and on and ON about how brave and strong and brilliant and wealthy I am, but in the end I'm all mouth and no trousers.

    That's right children, I'm your average AMERICUNT! and I exemplify AMERICA!:911flag:

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    JohnnyCache's "retort" proving how much he knows about medicine and geography and First World countries:
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    Yes, through persistent lack of work and the cultivation of ignorance, he is a true American.
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    How much is he pulling in from these taikais?
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    ima guess grow is a ninjer
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    I doubt anyone can make claims to being a ninja to be fair apart from Hatsumi soke at the moment, so no, I'm not a ninja.

    You only need to look at the plethora of fools (Ashida Kim anyone?) to know that calling yourself a Ninja is risky business haha
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