Kempo Stylists- I have found your hero!

**new2bjj** · Posted On: 5/31/2007 12:34pm

Basically, kickboxing is a sport- where karate etc, is more traditionally an art. Being good at a sport means you win. It's like having a degree in English doesn't make you a best selling author, selling a lot of books does.

**Teh El Macho** · Posted On: 5/31/2007 2:10pm

THAT did not make any sense. I'll take Whorian's word and assume you are trying to say competition brings validation to a martial art (and its belt system if it has one).

**new2bjj** · Posted On: 5/31/2007 5:01pm

I guess I look at kickboxing as pure competition- like running, or any other sport. You are either a champion runner, or you're not. I view color belts as more like an "understanding" of the art, i.e., you could coach someone, with an understanding of the sport, without being great at it. I would hate to see belts in MMA or kickboxing- your expertise should be in the doing. I trained for 2 years at fairtex and 2 at kings boxing gym, but I do not tell people that I am a boxer or a kickboxer- I don't go to matches, so how can I say that? Now, in TKD, I know all the forms of my particular school, the kicks, the basics, etc. I could teach someone TKD. Belts are such bullshit anyway- either you're good or your mediocre or you suck. If you haven't trained in 6 years, are you really a black belt? If you can't perform the techniques, and have forgotten all your forms, should you tell all and sundry that you're a black belt? You should say- "I WAS a black belt". As a matter of fact, when it comes down to MMA and Kickboxing, the only way you should be able to say you a qualified to coach, is to show the general public who you have coached and what they have won, and are winning. After all, their are no belts in boxing, or football, etc. By the way El Macho, I say this with all respect, it's just that I have see so many people in the point karate community, who tie up all their self worth in what degree black belt they earn, while, carreer wise, they are a cable installer, or as one guy I met who ran a postage machine, told me that he was proudly wearing a Kubudo Ryu t-shirt,. Of course, I really would have preferred to stick out BJJ and get my purple....

**It is Fake** · Posted On: 5/31/2007 10:22pm

Originally Posted by new2bjj

I guess I look at kickboxing as pure competition- like running, or any other sport. You are either a champion runner, or you're not. I view color belts as more like an "understanding" of the art, i.e., you could coach someone, with an understanding of the sport, without being great at it. I would hate to see belts in MMA or kickboxing- your expertise should be in the doing. I trained for 2 years at fairtex and 2 at kings boxing gym, but I do not tell people that I am a boxer or a kickboxer- I don't go to matches, so how can I say that? Now, in TKD, I know all the forms of my particular school, the kicks, the basics, etc. I could teach someone TKD. Belts are such bullshit anyway- either you're good or your mediocre or you suck. If you haven't trained in 6 years, are you really a black belt? If you can't perform the techniques, and have forgotten all your forms, should you tell all and sundry that you're a black belt? You should say- "I WAS a black belt". As a matter of fact, when it comes down to MMA and Kickboxing, the only way you should be able to say you a qualified to coach, is to show the general public who you have coached and what they have won, and are winning. After all, their are no belts in boxing, or football, etc. By the way El Macho, I say this with all respect, it's just that I have see so many people in the point karate community, who tie up all their self worth in what degree black belt they earn, while, carreer wise, they are a cable installer, or as one guy I met who ran a postage machine, told me that he was proudly wearing a Kubudo Ryu t-shirt,. Of course, I really would have preferred to stick out BJJ and get my purple....

The funniest thing about this thread is you kept typing.

Just say you hate the perversion that has come with a large amount of belt ranked schools.

Oh btw good people lose. So, that makes them mediocre?

**Ke?poFist** · Posted On: 6/01/2007 12:28am

new2bjj.....you need to sit back and think about what you feel a little bit more, so you may state your views a bit more eloquently ;)

**new2bjj** · Posted On: 6/01/2007 1:26am

I was actually rushing to put in that post. Oh well, it's late, I have the flu, so....how about that Thompson kid...

**antoname** · Posted On: 6/02/2007 6:53am

championships are bullshit....what make so champion??some drugs and a point gaining sience....where is the true meaning of budo ONE SHOT ONE KILL????????i have a great xp in judo and kyokushin championships and i saw perfect ignorance of the values of martial arts.........

**ONE TWO THREE FOUR FIVE** · Posted On: 6/02/2007 9:14am

Originally Posted by antoname

championships are bullshit....what make so champion??some drugs and a point gaining sience....where is the true meaning of budo ONE SHOT ONE KILL????????i have a great xp in judo and kyokushin championships and i saw perfect ignorance of the values of martial arts.........

Strange. Although each individual word makes sense (I can even guess the ones that are mis-spelled) I can't seem to work out what your saying.

**Teh El Macho** · Posted On: 6/02/2007 11:15am

Originally Posted by antoname

championships are bullshit....what make so champion??some drugs and a point gaining sience....where is the true meaning of budo ONE SHOT ONE KILL????????

Uhmmm, budo was a code of conduct, not a methodology or theory of fighting? The concept of "one shot, one kill" has nothing do with it.

i have a great xp in judo and kyokushin championships and i saw perfect ignorance of the values of martial arts.........

Liar.

-- EDIT --

He's lying his teeth about his martial arts experience while trolling legit threads

http://www.bullshido.net/forums/showthread.php?t=55526

**Lu Tze** · Posted On: 6/02/2007 12:05pm

Originally Posted by Whorian Gracie

I think his logic falls somewhat short. I understand his point, but n2bjj has a really crappy way of expressing it.

If belts are your sole method of placing value on rank then there are some problems with your art. There should be some checks and balances that allow for some validity of the ranks issued. Competitions/Tournaments fit this need nicely.

Hmm... now if only there were systems in which ranks were based on both technical knowledge and proficiency, then perhaps belt systems could claim some legitimacy. I just can't think of any off the top of my head though, shame...

Originally Posted by El Macho

So a black belt in bjj, judo or kyokushin (just to name a few) don't mean anything unless the person wearing it has earned a champ belt or medal in competition?

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