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    Quote Originally Posted by spartan6
    Unless letting the other guy know your wounded is part of your strategy.

    You will always find situations where your opponent is bigger, stronger, faster and smarter. In these situations surprise and subterfuge are a smart way to fight.
    If your opponent is smarter then subterfuge won't work

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    I find the whole deception bit mildly silly -- you need to be able to shrug off a punch in order to have the option to deceive. If you can't help but respond to the pain, it's not deception, and you have no choice of strategy.

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    "The proof of the pudding is in the eating"

    UFC style techniques are far more useful in real life situations - so much so that PD's are including groundwork in the syllabus to address the risk of facing a "bubba" grappler in a bar.

    Saying "Oh but that is not a real fight because there are rules..." is bollocks, especially when you consider that the vast majority of assualtive techniques employed by the criminal class are EXACTLY those techniques you would face in the octagon - punches and kicks. In which case a UFC training environment would be inherently superior.

    Finger locks, eye gouges and other dreaded panaceas are worth approximatley piss-all if your initial delivery system cannot pit you in a position to utilise them. In other words, they would only be a factor with all other things being equal.

    And my opinion is firmly based in real, PROVEN experience in all those situations with "no rules". lava, syringes and pits full of benzadrine puff adders.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spartan6
    Pederasty: Adults having anal intercourse with children.
    - "We were happy to let Uncle Jim babysit our son for the weekend, until we found out he had a pedastry fetish."

    http://rookiedriver.tripod.com/max/l...ictionary.html

    Haha, that was pretty good.

    Well that's very true. According to our social norms it would seem... criminal, but according to Spartan social norms it was perfectly acceptable. I guess that's what you get if you build a martial society of warriors.
    WHAT THE HELL AR YOU TALKING ABOUT?????NO SPARTAN WAS A PEDERASTER!!!!!!!!!
    HOW CAN YOU SAY SUCH BULLSHITS???????????IS IT SCIENTIFICAL PROVED???????????
    NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!CHANGE YOUR NAME OR SAY TRUE THINGS ABOUT SPARTANS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    SPARTANS WERE THE ELITEST OF ANCIENT WORLD'S FORCES NOT PERVERTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    Are you serious volt?

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    Guess which finger is the fickle one... supporting member
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    Quote Originally Posted by volt
    WHAT THE HELL AR YOU TALKING ABOUT?????NO SPARTAN WAS A PEDERASTER!!!!!!!!!
    HOW CAN YOU SAY SUCH BULLSHITS???????????IS IT SCIENTIFICAL PROVED???????????
    NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!CHANGE YOUR NAME OR SAY TRUE THINGS ABOUT SPARTANS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    SPARTANS WERE THE ELITEST OF ANCIENT WORLD'S FORCES NOT PERVERTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by spartan6
    Unless letting the other guy know your wounded is part of your strategy.

    You will always find situations where your opponent is bigger, stronger, faster and smarter. In these situations surprise and subterfuge are a smart way to fight.

    Please tell me what you would deem as "subterfuge" and "suprise".
    A sucker punch?
    A bag of flour thrown in his face?
    Moving around like you were playing Dance Dance Revolution?
    Lying on the floor in the fetal position?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sophist
    How about you produce some evidence to support your crazy assertions here? A staggering number of full-contact kicks and punches are delivered in competition yearly. Deaths are rare, and usually brought on by taking a great number of strikes.
    Quote Originally Posted by GBLS
    ok so how can you actually compare martial arts when there are rules. For example a rule that says no kicks or a rule that says no grapples or no fingerlocks is unfair to some martial arts. Also rules that prohibit strikes to certain areas of the body cause the martial artist to think twice about doing something - surely a disadvantage.
    You asserted that kicks, punches, elbows, knees, or whatever your notional death strike is, had a high chance of killing people. Actually, you specifically mentioned strikes used in the UFC. This bit isn't about comparing arts, this is about the fragility of the human body. So far, you've yet to supply evidence that people will die if you hit them in a standing position at full strength (as opposed to you and your mates curb-stomping them).

    Quote Originally Posted by GBLS
    If you are going to claim that it is no holds barred then check the rules.

    These are not rules for No Holds Barred.
    from http://www.europeanvaletudo.com/rules.asp
    I don't know who these European guys are, but the original Vale Tudo, as distinct from modern MMA, was a Brazilian challenge ruleset. It restricted eye gouging and biting, if you were lucky; some fights didn't even restrict that. The early UFCs had a similarly short ruleset, also disallowing fish-hooking in all but one of the early competitions (since you couldn't bite the fingers), and this ruleset was continued by the International Vale Tudo Championships.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interna..._Championships

    We've had plenty of time to gather data, and the same arts that made a good showing in the early UFCs and International Vale Tudo Championships continue to dominate modern MMA. Funnily enough these dominant arts are without exception full-contact and sporting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by volt
    WHAT THE HELL AR YOU TALKING ABOUT?????NO SPARTAN WAS A PEDERASTER!!!!!!!!!
    HOW CAN YOU SAY SUCH BULLSHITS???????????IS IT SCIENTIFICAL PROVED???????????
    NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!CHANGE YOUR NAME OR SAY TRUE THINGS ABOUT SPARTANS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    SPARTANS WERE THE ELITEST OF ANCIENT WORLD'S FORCES NOT PERVERTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    *munch munch*

    Oh man, my coke, my chips and my bourbon is about to finish and the ridiculous **** in this thread just keeps on coming...

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    Quote Originally Posted by volt
    WHAT THE HELL AR YOU TALKING ABOUT?????NO SPARTAN WAS A PEDERASTER!!!!!!!!!
    HOW CAN YOU SAY SUCH BULLSHITS???????????IS IT SCIENTIFICAL PROVED???????????
    NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!CHANGE YOUR NAME OR SAY TRUE THINGS ABOUT SPARTANS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    SPARTANS WERE THE ELITEST OF ANCIENT WORLD'S FORCES NOT PERVERTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Have you been drinking petrol?

    Spartans were pederasts - deal with it

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