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    Quote Originally Posted by CodosDePiedra
    Much of this resembles CMA applications I've learnt, even down to the postures (stances). We never counted the movements out in Italian, though...

    Can you give me some links on this branch of FMA? I'm pretty ignorant of the names and varieties of FMA, so it'd likely take me quite awhile to get on the right track via Google.

    Thanks in advance.

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    from the logo
    it looks like pekiti tirsia or some derivative of it

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    Some of that looks familiar but it's WAY more slappy than the stuff I've learned. Generally the slaps we learned were only to deflect or line up the trap, then after that it was hooks, overhands, straights, etc..

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    Quote Originally Posted by saturnjunkie
    That being said, some forms of arnis have wing chun elements because of who was involved. Prime examples are:

    Latosa Escrima and...
    Inosanto Kali

    Both of these styles use what they feel works from wing chun; I have no idea what that might be, but I know that they do have integrated components just from my own research.

    While I am not sure what the object in wing chun is regarding trapping, I personally use Trapping from my various versions of Arnis to do a few separate tasks:

    1) Attempt to disarm the person involved without killing/maiming them.
    2) isolate a limb to provide a tactical advantage. Example would be to hold their arm as codos suggested so as to create a window of attack.
    3) To setup a takedown/throw. This goes double for me since I like to throw people.
    4) To setup a submission/break of some sort.
    5) To keep from getting stabbed/struck.

    nice post.

    Since I do Latosa Escrima under Rene Latosa and Sifu Emin, plus have some tiny few days with Bill Newman and Steve Tappen, I can help elaborate on this.

    Rene Latosa really doesn't have a beginer program. He doesn't have time to teach you all that. He improves on what you bring to him. 90% of his students come from WT backgrounds. He does have a slightly modified LWS for us, to work with WT basics, but he really does teach the same thing to everyone. I have been to a seminar with Karate people learning this FMA right along with us Tzunners.

    In EBMAS we have further refined the starting LWS stuff to be directly opposite the WT. Front stance, hooks and hammer fists and outfalling step offline to start, with single stick. There is a huge overlap in the double sticks and Doubleto Escrima programs so that is done second. The advanced cycle of kwan/gaun sau and poi pai in WT directly overlap with the advanced empty hand escrima know as Chain of Palms (Palm strikeing). Not to mention the obvious long pole to short double Dagger range the WT uses to practice the range of weapon techniques and how it relates to learning a FMA with its infinite range of weapons families..

    Sifu Emin is always adimant that we keep the two systems seperate in training, it is not a MMA. You have to let them merge together naturally instead of patching together a calico quilt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jackrusher
    Much of this resembles CMA applications I've learnt, even down to the postures (stances). We never counted the movements out in Italian, though...

    Can you give me some links on this branch of FMA? I'm pretty ignorant of the names and varieties of FMA, so it'd likely take me quite awhile to get on the right track via Google.

    Thanks in advance.
    That one's panantukan and others. Panantukan is a good source to look up FMA unarmed fighting. People (Like the Dog Brothers) believe that panantukan actually changed boxing from its upright palms up extended guard to the head moving hands in close palms inward guard. Early Filipino fighters during the US occupation brought interesting stuff to boxing (like Ceferino Garcia). Others say its the addition of gloves and a different ruleset. I think its a little of both and probably a bunch of other things.

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