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  1. yoshida is offline

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    5/25/2007 5:28pm

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    Wing Chun Trapping vs. FMA Trapping

    How different is the trapping found in wing chun from that of the Filipino martial arts?

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    Posted On:
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    Since I don't consider Ving Tsun to have trapping (regardless of what a lot of people say), Could you start by define what you mean by "trapping" and give examples of what are supposedly found in each art?
    Calm down, it's only ones and zeros.

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    Having dabbled in both, i'd have to say; very.

    being vague is fun.
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    From what I've gathered from DBMA videos, there are a lot of similar things, as Marc Denny gives them the Chinese and Filipino names. All that really tells us is that the same techniques exist, and given that he doesn't teach crap, it makes sense. From what I've seen, it looks like wing chun seeks to trap and then strike with the other hand or elbow, while in FMA the goal is to sweep or takedown.
  5. selfcritical is offline

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    The goals tend to be different. Fma trapping tends to end at extreme close range, and often ends in the clinch or a takedown. There's no real thought that trapping range is something that you can maintain in the fight.
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    Also a lot of it really is just the fact that Dan Inosanto trained both JKD and FMA.
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    Very Simular Actually. In fact Wing Tsun/Ving Tsun and Escrima are almost identical from a theoretical point of view.
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    The main difference with Arnis/Escrima and Wing Tsun is that you have a far larger range to cover(because of weapons) to get close enough to be in trapping range.
    All the movements tend to be bigger (so the weight destribution is different).
    Also in Esrima/Arnis you dont tend to come in with a leading arm or leg.
    The trapping techniques are however all very simular.
    Last edited by Bear1980; 5/29/2007 6:47am at .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bear1980
    Very Simular Actually. In fact Wing Tsun/Ving Tsun and Escrima are almost identical from a theoretical point of view.

    Quartering and flanking vs. maintaining the centerline seems like pretty opposing tactical goals.
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    Posted On:
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    Quote Originally Posted by selfcritical
    Quartering and flanking vs. maintaining the centerline seems like pretty opposing tactical goals.

    Not really. The centerline is just a reference. Your "centerline" doesn't have to be in line with your opponent's centerline. In fact, you have an advantage by creating a mismatch.

    Think of "centerline" as two verbs: "center" & "line".
    Calm down, it's only ones and zeros.

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