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    Oil?

    Quote Originally Posted by PPlate
    I just rub it with the orange muay thai oil I got in Bangkok. I know it's for warming up muscles but it helps. I think Khun Kao's method is better though.

    Bruised shins are part and parcel of conditioning, so I just accept it, and allow it time to heal. I just ask my partner not to kick me on that side, or if both sides are injured I just do boxing sparring.
    This post makes a lot of sense (bruises just come part and parcell with it, like finger callous for guitarists). My first teacher gave me this oil, that had camphor, menth, and turpentine in it (if I remember correctly)....when I'd pull a muscle she'd have me put some on, and bandage it....it would burn (turpen-fing-tine???) but I'd feel better after. Is this the same sort of thing as that oil you're talking about?
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    Quote Originally Posted by john joe
    ^ you can't seriously be suggesting that as muay thai is a "sport" it is somehow inferior to the "deadly" *ing **un?

    have you had a look at Martial Arts Planet at all? It might be more "you"
    Muay thai might be the only combat sport that you don't have to change for street safety...it already uses the hardest parts of the body to strike (knuckle,knee, heel, shin, elbow) Thai boxers sacrafice their bodies to be badasses in their prime....that's some warrior ****...and I'd have to say, an old, injured thai boxer would still be the match of most tag-karate or partner drill only martial artists. john joe, if you could only kick the doubters in the shins...can you email shin kicks? do they have that yet?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bobyclumsyninja
    My first teacher gave me this oil, that had camphor, menth, and turpentine in it (if I remember correctly)....when I'd pull a muscle she'd have me put some on, and bandage it....it would burn (turpen-fing-tine???) but I'd feel better after. Is this the same sort of thing as that oil you're talking about?
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    Quote Originally Posted by El Macho
    Consider one of the greatest, meanest mofos that have ever existed, Mas Oyama. He had turned his index and middle knuckles into one big giant mass of solidified tissue over ligaments and bones... Great for knocking the **** out of people, but not so great if you want to grab a pencil and write with it.
    Uhhhhh... FALSE.

    Mas Oyama on occasion had some mild hand pain later in life, when he was in his late 60's & on, and this was due to stunts, letting people hit his hands with sledge hammers and **** like that. Not his conditioning. His hands were just fine, and his writing was unaffected until his death.
    & if you don't believe me, ask Cameron Quinn.
    It's not about what you do but how you do it. My teacher's teacher, Rudy Terlinden, had sick conditioning, what they called "Black" conditioning. He had mad callouses, elbows, wrists, knuckles & hands, knees & shins. NEVER had any health issues from it.
    & my teacher takes kicks with his elbows, he punches a steel bag, and has no problems. & he's almost 60.
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    He punches a steel bag??!??

    So how does he condition his shins?
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    Quote Originally Posted by PPlate
    He punches a steel bag??!??

    So how does he condition his shins?
    he does sweeps, leg bumps & checks & sapus on a steel rod using a special conditioning form.
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    what's a sapu?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bobyclumsyninja
    what's a sapu?
    It's a type of sweep, similar to Judo's Kouchi Gaeshi/Gari or Kosoto Gari, but also uses the heel and is a bit more ballistic in it's delivery.
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    an inside sweep? with the heel?
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    It can be inside or outside, but has more to do with the application, how you do it. It's performed like the Judo techs that I listed above, but can be a sweep or more of a kick. Sometimes you turn your foot all the way out and just strike the instep or ankle hard with the heel. That kind of thing is characteristic to some forms of Silat. They do alot of stomping & such to condition. When it comes to hard kicks, the heel is used almost universally.
    One particularly useful appl, if you can pull it off, is to do it when the opponent is just stepping forward with weight, of course. This is more common than just Silat, but some of the applications & timings are unique.
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