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  1. UpaLumpa is offline
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    Quote Originally Posted by Soju - Joe
    I have something wrong with my lower lombard disks and sciatica. I am getting an MRI on the 30th

    However after 3 weeks of doing nothing My back is just sore a bit and I only have numbness in the right side of my foot.
    Similar situation but I'm not willing to have another back surgery just yet so I take my time warming up and take some NSAId's before training.
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    One of my MA friends just got surgery for a separated shoulder. Ugly.

    My shoulders are whack too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by UpaLumpa
    Similar situation but I'm not willing to have another back surgery just yet so I take my time warming up and take some NSAId's before training.

    I take an extra strength advil

    an other guy I know is getting a laser procedure, in and out in a day, on his back. waiting to see how that went.

    I have looked into traction and have ordered an inversion chair so see if I can decompress the spine so I don't need surgery.

    Even with warming up I find the next day is when I have a problem.

    I definitely don't want surgery, from what I understand you have to repeat it every 5-7 years

    Ugh

    The big problem is it's definitly grappling that does the damage and I just can't see giving it up for Tai Chi yet.
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    I think experience helps you to recognize the injuries you can *work through* versus the injuries you can't. When I was racing bicycles, I had two seasons in a row cut short for not taking it easy when I should.
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    Hmmm.

    You wouldn't call what I'm doing 'training'.

    So...er...no.
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    Posted On:
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    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    Small things like bruises or mild hyperxtensions are ok to train with.

    There are other type of injuries, more grave injuries, that go unnoticed because they don't occur instantaneously, but are the cumulative result of minor ones over time - this is where the gray area is.

    Training with a leaky heart valve, however, that's retarded.
    Read this for flexibility and injury prevention, this, this and this for supplementation, this on grip conditioning, and this on staph. New: On strenght standards, relationships and structural balance. Shoulder problems? Read this.

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    The street argument is retarded. BJJ is so much overkill for the street that its ridiculous. Unless you're the idiot that picks a fight with the high school wrestling team, barring knife or gun play, the opponent shouldn't make it past double leg + ground and pound - Osiris
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    Posted On:
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    Quote Originally Posted by Patient_Daruma
    As stated, if you can't deal with some hurt, go join the Bridge Club, or collect stamps, something that doesn't involve people trying to damage you for fun.

    Most anybody that trains with any degree of consistency and devotion is going to suffer an injury from time to time. Unless training would result in greater injury, you're just as well to suck it up and keep going. You'll be stronger for it in the long run.

    For instance: I sustained an injury to my right shoulder last year, which made it pretty impossible for me to do kendo well. So, I trained with my left hand; one handed swings, drills, etc. My footwork and timing improved, and I dramatically increased my striking speed and force by strengthening the left hand. Wasn't much fun, but it worked out in the end.

    Did keep me out fo judo for a bit, but I guess you can’t win ‘em all.
    I think you and many others are missing the main questions jnp is trying to address. Anybody who does any sports is going to have injuries. Martial artists, football players, ballet dancers... even piano players face injuries. There is a certain arrogance in those who practice martial arts in believing minor, repetitive injuries are something only they have to face and overcome. Ridiculously self-destructive.

    Let me re-quote jnp so that the question does not go missing:

    Quote Originally Posted by jnp
    Do you train while you're hurt? If so, why? What was the nature of your injury? How did it affect your training and what was your reason for continuing to train while injured?
    The main question is not just whether you train while injured - it is how and when do you know you should or should not. And when you know deep down (or are confirmed by medical facts) that you shouldn't, why do you keep training? There is a line on injuries that one crossed training becomes unintelligent. How do you justify or rationalize crossing that line?

    And the answer is not "well, we do martial arts. if you don't like pain, go play with a barbie doll"... or I hope that's not your answer.

    BTW, by "you" I mean every single person reading this thread.
    Read this for flexibility and injury prevention, this, this and this for supplementation, this on grip conditioning, and this on staph. New: On strenght standards, relationships and structural balance. Shoulder problems? Read this.

    My crapuous vlog and my blog of training, stuff and crap. NEW: Me, Mrs. Macho and our newborn baby.

    New To Weight Training? Get the StrongLifts 5x5 program and Rippetoe's "Starting Strength, 2nd Ed". Wanna build muscle/gain weight? Check this article. My review on Tactical Nutrition here.

    t-nation - Dissecting the deadlift. Anatomy and Muscle Balancing Videos.

    The street argument is retarded. BJJ is so much overkill for the street that its ridiculous. Unless you're the idiot that picks a fight with the high school wrestling team, barring knife or gun play, the opponent shouldn't make it past double leg + ground and pound - Osiris
  8. UpaLumpa is offline
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    Posted On:
    5/19/2007 10:21pm

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    Quote Originally Posted by Soju - Joe
    The big problem is it's definitly grappling that does the damage and I just can't see giving it up for Tai Chi yet.
    Grappling actually helps me.
    And I've heard good things about inversion chairs.
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    My problems are my wrists and all the tiny, tinie tendons inside the palms of my hands. They swell and get painful to the touch with nothing. It sucks.
    Read this for flexibility and injury prevention, this, this and this for supplementation, this on grip conditioning, and this on staph. New: On strenght standards, relationships and structural balance. Shoulder problems? Read this.

    My crapuous vlog and my blog of training, stuff and crap. NEW: Me, Mrs. Macho and our newborn baby.

    New To Weight Training? Get the StrongLifts 5x5 program and Rippetoe's "Starting Strength, 2nd Ed". Wanna build muscle/gain weight? Check this article. My review on Tactical Nutrition here.

    t-nation - Dissecting the deadlift. Anatomy and Muscle Balancing Videos.

    The street argument is retarded. BJJ is so much overkill for the street that its ridiculous. Unless you're the idiot that picks a fight with the high school wrestling team, barring knife or gun play, the opponent shouldn't make it past double leg + ground and pound - Osiris
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    My advice would be to train around the injury. Like if you have a bad back ask to do training which wont hurt your back.
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