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  1. LI GUY 1 is offline
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    Dude WTF is all I can say. You are too tired to lift? Very weird.

    Maybe it is a mental block, do you lack motivation or desire to lift? Are you doing it because "yu have to" and not because you want to?

    Sleep and food. Your diet could suck as well as your sleep. Eating fast food, candy, etc can slow you down. I always feel like crap if I start eating crap.

    Lastly I have done 3 compund movements at least eeryworkout for a while. No problems here. Example- pull day: Deadlift, BOR, weighted pullup, power shrugs. Press day: bench, military, squat.
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    One thing worth mentioning is that you shouldn't be doing static stretches AT ALL before the workout as this will relax the muscles, therefore decreasing power and increasing possibility of injuries.

    Dynamic swinging stretches are what you want and they also help in getting you pretty warm too
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    Quote Originally Posted by spirez
    If you can't get through them all then maybe you're lifting too much?
    That... can't be true.


    Quote Originally Posted by PizDoff
    On the gear?


    More info.
    Are you falling into the common university trap of experimenting with social accelerants and irregular sleeping hours?
    Do you really want to hurt me?
    Do you really want to break my heart?
    Do you actually have a split you stick to?
    Are you trying to go heavy on multiple compound exercises in one session?
    Around the gear.

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    I start easy and usually the last two sets are close to 85% or so. I never do a 1RM because I work out alone with safety bars to protect me if I fudge up, but I still don't want to risk it.

    I don't do stretches at all before lifting. I do stuff like cherry pickers and twists, etc. Stuff that involves movement.

    Also, LOL @ "30-40 pushups. Repeat" I don't think I can pull that off, much less do that and that other stuff. But I'll try it anyway. Won't have time today or tomorrow, but Tuesday I'll do it and see how it goes.
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    Split = routine. A set routine that is planned out. ie

    Mon - Squats (because everyone else does bench)
    Tues - Rest
    Weds - Chest, light leg work
    Thurs - Rest
    Fri - Back
    Sat - Rest
    Sun - Rest

    What I'm really asking here is if you have a set routine that considers any other training or exercise you do.

    Quote Originally Posted by El Macho
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    Every set of squats you do, follow it immediately by 40-50 push ups. That's one set. Repeat 4 times.
    I don't think I've heard that before. Can you expand on the reasoning behind this?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Poop Loops
    I don't do stretches at all before lifting. I do stuff like cherry pickers and twists, etc. Stuff that involves movement.
    Cherry pickers (and jumping jacks) are good... really good.

    Quote Originally Posted by Poop Loops
    Also, LOL @ "30-40 pushups. Repeat" I don't think I can pull that off, much less do that and that other stuff. But I'll try it anyway.
    Hmmmm, that's an indication you are getting weaker dude, which may be why are having difficulty. 30-40 push ups should be seen as a minimum test. Eating shitty and sleeping shitty in college can do that to you.

    I think you should do a lot more bodyweight exercises (push ups, pull ups, duck walks, bodyweight jumping squats and lunges) for a while to get your body into gear again... provided you sleep and eat well.

    Quote Originally Posted by PizDoff
    I don't think I've heard that before. Can you expand on the reasoning behind this?
    That's some idea I've been borrowing from bodyweight clips, and in particular from Rhadi Ferguson's b/w DVD. I use the push ups (done as fast as possible) as a "filler" to keep up the intensity of the workouts (a la HIIT).

    When I'm out of the gym for week, I feel like **** if I try to lift heavy, so instead I use a routine similar to the one I outlined. I use a bit less weight for the squats and keep the reps high (20), and then I do the push ups.

    In fact, I throw the push ups in between of almost everything I do (specially squats, deadlifts and cleans), and I've found it has helped me better for rolling than just weight lifting alone.

    -- EDIT --

    I use my push ups in a similar fashion as showed in Mike Davie's Fitness Factory clip (titled cardio survival), which I uploaded in megaupload a while ago:

    http://www.bullshido.net/forums/showthread.php?t=53937

    Poop, you should take a look at that clip as well as try to get a copy of Ross Enamait' books. Your problem (I think) seems more fundamental than just not being able to lift after being on a long hiatus.
    Last edited by Teh El Macho; 5/13/2007 2:39pm at .
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    Poop Loops, you say you aren't overweight, but being unable to do 30-40 pushups and doing no cardio sounds like there's a real stamina problem. Less than a year ago I was at least 60lbs overweight, and I could still crank out 30 pushups.

    You haven't been listening to those people who tell you to just lift heavy for all your physical training needs have you ?
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    I've hit that feeling a couple of times where I can't do ****, not even 20 push ups without getting dizzy, and can pinpoint the root cause to be a horrendous lack of sleep and shitty food for extended periods time (as it was in college.).. yucks!!!!
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    The street argument is retarded. BJJ is so much overkill for the street that its ridiculous. Unless you're the idiot that picks a fight with the high school wrestling team, barring knife or gun play, the opponent shouldn't make it past double leg + ground and pound - Osiris
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    Do something for cardio every day. Turn your body into an energy burning machine!
    No.



    Poops, on the other hand, 10 mins of mid-intensity cardio shouldn't hurt your ability to lift.
    For the record, can people stop using this nebulous bs term? This is highly dependent upon too many factors to judge like that. Also, why bother doing any aerobic specific activities if he's going to be focused upon getting stronger through the manipulation of specific metabolic pathways?
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    Cardio may be a nebulous term, but (at least to me) it stands for anything not involving lifting (.ie. threadmill, bike, rope jumping, doing sprints).

    10 minutes of any of that (so long as it's not balls out) shouldn't drain anybody to the point of not being able to lift.
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    The street argument is retarded. BJJ is so much overkill for the street that its ridiculous. Unless you're the idiot that picks a fight with the high school wrestling team, barring knife or gun play, the opponent shouldn't make it past double leg + ground and pound - Osiris
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    Quote Originally Posted by El Macho
    Hmmmm, that's an indication you are getting weaker dude, which may be why are having difficulty. 30-40 push ups should be seen as a minimum test. Eating shitty and sleeping shitty in college can do that to you.
    You don't understand. I don't think I've ever been able to do 30-40 pushups in one go.

    I think you should do a lot more bodyweight exercises (push ups, pull ups, duck walks, bodyweight jumping squats and lunges) for a while to get your body into gear again... provided you sleep and eat well.
    Yeah. Whenever I took a break from lifting (flu, final exams, etc.) I always got back into it with a few days of BW exercises beforehand.


    In fact, I throw the push ups in between of almost everything I do (specially squats, deadlifts and cleans), and I've found it has helped me better for rolling than just weight lifting alone.
    It will be at least two years before I do any MA. Right now I'm an undergrad with no time to attend class. =/

    Poop, you should take a look at that clip as well as try to get a copy of Ross Enamait' books. Your problem (I think) seems more fundamental than just not being able to lift after being on a long hiatus.
    I've never had much endurance, hiatus or not.
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