San Shou/Sanda

**UpaLumpa** · Posted On: 5/10/2007 1:59pm

Originally Posted by Cullion

That's why his takedown defence is good so he can keep things standing and beat them to death.

Rules keeping it standing doesn't mean yuo can technically keep it standing. Also, standing up after a takedown in sanshou doesn't mean you can GET UP. Something Chuck absolutely can do.

In other words, and always MMA>SanShou.

**oldman34** · Posted On: 5/10/2007 2:26pm

Originally Posted by Cullion

That's why his takedown defence is good so he can keep things standing and beat them to death.

Actually Chuck was a wrestler first, and took Kempo later on. Therefore his base would be some form of grappling/groundwork.

You have been pwmed and all your base belong to me. :)

So in SanShou when the fight does go to the ground, do they just stand them up, or do they have to fight their way back to their feet? There is a BIG difference.

I digress. To get back to the main thread point. When someone says that BJJ trains with "aliveness" they are refering to the fact that you are attacking and defending with techniques at/near full speed and power.

90% of BJJ [correct me if Im wrong] is actaully on the ground. The remaining 10% is clinch/takedown/takedown defense. IMO it is easier to learn to defend against or takedown an opponent than to grapple with them on the ground.

**isol8d** · Posted On: 5/10/2007 2:50pm

Originally Posted by oldman34

So in SanShou when the fight does go to the ground, do they just stand them up, or do they have to fight their way back to their feet? There is a BIG difference.

When the fight goes to the ground, the fighters are stood back up.

**oldman34** · Posted On: 5/10/2007 2:51pm

Originally Posted by isol8d

When the fight goes to the ground, the fighters are stood back up.

Thanks.

**Roidie McDouchebag** · Posted On: 5/10/2007 3:05pm

It's like Muay Thai, only with crappy throws and crappy striking.

**isol8d** · Posted On: 5/10/2007 3:30pm

Originally Posted by Cracky McSlugHoot

It's like Muay Thai, only with crappy throws and crappy striking.

so which throws in particular are crappy?

**Cullion** · Posted On: 5/10/2007 3:59pm

In san shou you want to keep it standing, but takedowns are allowed. You don't want to go down with them (and if you do you want to land on top) and you don't want certainly don't want to get taken down and end up on the bottom.

Think no-gi tachiwaza with full contact striking.

**oldman34** · Posted On: 5/10/2007 4:02pm

Originally Posted by Cracky McSlugHoot

It's like Muay Thai, only with crappy throws and crappy striking.

LOLZ.

So whats the real difference between San Shou "alive" training and MMA "alive" training?

**Roidie McDouchebag** · Posted On: 5/10/2007 9:20pm

so which throws in particular are crappy?

The ones that work based on the other guy's base sucking.

So whats the real difference between San Shou "alive" training and MMA "alive" training?

The world.

**Virus** · Posted On: 5/11/2007 5:37am

I knew a guy who did sanda and he said their training was the same as kickboxing and wrestling. From what I've seen of sanda the takedowns are fundamental freestyle wrestling ones not silly stuff like reverse, backwards, behind the head wrist locks. So I don't really see what cracky is getting at. Maybe some video examples of these bad takedowns is in order?