Prices & Practices: Bullshido? McDojo?

**Hidama** · Posted On: 5/10/2007 8:36pm

El Macho - actually they are doing 36 month contracts at that rate. I don't know if they offer anything shorter but based on what he said I would doubt it. He is really about pushing the envelope as far as pricing and not shy about mentioning it at least in certain circles anyway.

**It is Fake** · Posted On: 5/10/2007 9:03pm

Well, then stop posting you have your answer.

Oh and you were asking specifics, look at your first post.

Up until the BBC type clubs, it is a common practice. Many schools charge different amounts up to and including the all inclusive price.

Like FFF I'm out. You are being ridiculous.

You put out the rates.
You put out the frequency.
You put out the clubs.
You put out a quote from said teacher.
You put out the state and general location.

That is very specific. If you felt uncomfortable you should have just asked "do these rates sound reasonable."

You want a specific determination without specific evidence. What's funny is we haven't asked you for a name of the school or instructor. We asked for specifics on the program. What's funny is, you have put enough specifics that if someone trains at the school they can figure it out.

**Hidama** · Posted On: 5/10/2007 9:44pm

Originally Posted by Whorian Gracie

How do you know this percentage is accurate? Did you talk with the Gracie's statistician?

No need and I stand by that statement.

**Hidama** · Posted On: 5/10/2007 9:55pm

Originally Posted by It is Fake

Well, then stop posting you have your answer.

Oh and you were asking specifics, look at your first post.

Up until the BBC type clubs, it is a common practice. Many schools charge different amounts up to and including the all inclusive price.

Like FFF I'm out. You are being ridiculous.

You put out the rates.
You put out the frequency.
You put out the clubs.
You put out a quote from said teacher.
You put out the state and general location.

That is very specific. If you felt uncomfortable you should have just asked "do these rates sound reasonable."

You want a specific determination without specific evidence. What's funny is we haven't asked you for a name of the school or instructor. We asked for specifics on the program. What's funny is, you have put enough specifics that if someone trains at the school they can figure it out.

Actually I was trying not to be specific, but I was asked for specifics and given **** for not being specific. Now I'm getting **** for being specific. I'm not training at that school and wasn't trying to train at that school.

I was given some information on a business system and practically fell out of my chair at the prices I was hearing. I was trying to find out about generalities in other schools to find out if this was common practice. I thought I made that very clear. Evidently I didn't but whatever.

I was only interested in finding out if this is an anomaly.

**fanger123** · Posted On: 5/10/2007 9:59pm

i HATE the BBC/Master's Club hierarchy.

absolutely do.

training might be good, but the school seems too bent on making money.

i had that class segregation before, and it wasn't pretty.

**Teh El Macho** · Posted On: 5/10/2007 10:05pm

Originally Posted by Hidama

El Macho - actually they are doing 36 month contracts at that rate. I don't know if they offer anything shorter but based on what he said I would doubt it. He is really about pushing the envelope as far as pricing and not shy about mentioning it at least in certain circles anyway.

Dude, in that case, run away, run away, run away. There is nothing short of a car worth signing your wallet for 36 months. Nothing, specially for the price they are asking.

Considering the disgustingly good choices that are out there (many of them with short contracts or month by month), that type of deal is outrageous.

**It is Fake** · Posted On: 5/10/2007 10:21pm

Originally Posted by Hidama

Actually I was trying not to be specific, but I was asked for specifics and given **** for not being specific. Now I'm getting **** for being specific. I'm not training at that school and wasn't trying to train at that school.

What do you think of a school teaching BJJ that has rates of $99 = 2 classes week.

$119 = 3 x week ; $149 = unlimited.

They also teach Thai boxing but that is an additional fee, similar rates.

Now once you join the school you are guided toward joining the equivalent of Black belt club at $249 per month and then the equivalent of Masters club at $349 per month. I have also heard from the owners own mouth that he is considering starting an Ultimate Masters Club.

These are legitimate prices from the head instructors mouth.

My list was based on your first post so you were being specific.

I was given some information on a business system and practically fell out of my chair at the prices I was hearing. I was trying to find out about generalities in other schools to find out if this was common practice. I thought I made that very clear. Evidently I didn't but whatever.

Again it was answered by about 5 different people. The first rates you listed in your first post are normal. Many schools do this and this part of your question has been answered again.

I was only interested in finding out if this is an anomaly.

The second half is the anomaly. I haven't encountered a BBC or a 36 month contract at a MMA gym. The longest I have encountered was a year.

Now, the part El Mach said is true 36 months is ridiculous.

It sounded bad but, no one can make a true judgment call until you added the contract length.

**Hidama** · Posted On: 5/11/2007 12:23am

Originally Posted by It is Fake

My list was based on your first post so you were being specific.

Again it was answered by about 5 different people. The first rates you listed in your first post are normal. Many schools do this and this part of your question has been answered again.
The second half is the anomaly. I haven't encountered a BBC or a 36 month contract at a MMA gym. The longest I have encountered was a year.

Now, the part El Mach said is true 36 months is ridiculous.

It sounded bad but, no one can make a true judgment call until you added the contract length.

I don't see how I was being ridiculous. No secret that I fail at the internet.......... however my first post was to establish that I wasn't being hypothetical - trying to be specific about this particular school was not my intent. I am fully aware that the first list of rates are in line with most schools. My question was never about that, it was about the Black Belt Club and tiered programs in a school that teaches a good proven system.
I am much more familiar with TMA and the serious ones really hate that tiered stuff and have been throwing around the word McDojo about schools that seek to improve business performance forever.
I was posting with the "standards" part of this forum title in mind and simply wanted to know how these practices are considered by the BJJ community on Bullshido if the training is considered outstanding, and by all accounts it is.

BTW- 5 people is hardly a community.