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  1. Kuya is offline

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    He has named some real rare arts as his background. Ive not heard of black-eagle eskrima being taught in the US. Outside Cebu, their organization is primarily Australian based as the founder of the system immigrated there, though Ive heard there is a London branch. Garimot Arnis, is a family style with roots in Laguna. The head of the system, Gat Puno Abon "Garimot" Baet is based out of Florida, and is a real cool guy who posts some neat stuff on the Eskrima Digest. He immigrated to the US until 1986, and established his school in 1989. He has a few affiliated schools around the US, but again none in MN. Latosa eskrima, is one of a number of styles (the style I am in, Inayan, is another)that traces its lineage from the old stockton teachers (Angel Cabales, Max Saramiento, Leo Giron). However, Latosa Eskrima is based primarily off of Serrada. And the way things used to work, when Angel was alive, they were related (sattelite school) with students going to Angel for more advanced training. Though of course thing have fragmented since Angel's death (Mark Wiley's books can be misleading particularly when concerned with Cabales Serrada and all the off-shoots). Outside of California, Ive mostly seen Latosa practitioners from Europe, particularly London. Now if we assume the Sayok kali he lists is the same as the Sayoc kali Deus studies, it will be interesting to hear Deus's comments. The Bakbakan claim, well go to the bakbakan website www.bakbakan.com, and see for yourself how much Jun's story meshes. I know some bakbakan guys, and I know they dont have official members in Minnesota. So back to my question, if MNkali/Rick Faye is Jun's only teachers of FMA and neither are affiliated with the various groups listed (for more info on them check out www.mnkali.com, and www.inosanto.com), where did Jun get all this extra training?
  2. Freddy is offline

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    Good points Kuya.
    What do you think of Escrima De Leon? (providing you are familar with it).
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  3. The Crack Taoist is offline

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    Does anyone on the board train one of the FMA
    that is primarily Largo Mano? What's your
    experience playing with the corto folks?
    And BTW are there Modern Arnis people who like
    to bang out and spar? (I'm not being an ass,
    just wondering cause my experience is so
    limited).

    regards,
    Bri
    let's talk about why fat-fu shall we?
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    Blades or sticks?
    Type and length of each guy`s weapon(s)?
  5. Freddy is offline

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    Take both. Espada Y Daga
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  6. kismasher is offline

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    apparently JFB studies/teaches all martial arts, i read in an earlier post where he also teaches bjj

    damn, i wish i had that much time on my hands

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  7. Kuya is offline

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    Im sorry Freddy, but Im not familiar with eskrima de leon. The only reason I heard of Black Eagle is because a black eagle guy on a different forum issued a challenge to Dan Anderson of Modern Arnis. Of course its up to Dan to travel either to Cebu or Australia to actually fight this guy.
    There are so many family styles its hard to keep up with the smaller groups. Especially since so many will splinter off main groups and make their own styles.

    DeepBlueHalo, Largo Mano is a core style in Inayan Eskrima, but it is not our only emphasis, so I do not know how much help this will be. I personally detest largo. I prefer the corto to medio range. Ive had very good experiences against those who favor largo techniques, using my corto techniques. It is very easy to get inside their range, trap their weapon hand, and then rain in the hits. Whereas, when Ive fought with largo, Ive had problems with with/against counters to my strikes. The flowing strikes (at least in the largo style I have learned) makes it so that once you swing you are commited, so it leaves you very open to counters. Also largo limits you to fighting from the outside, which in turn limits the targets, especially for someone with lesser reach. The hand becomes principle target, and its hard to get into the juicier body targets without closing the gap and modifying yourself back to at least the medio range. Make sense? Anyways, good luck finding a Modern Arnis player who likes to spar. There are some very good Modern Arnis players, but it has been said that just because one practices Modern Arnis it doesnt necessarily make them an escrimador.

    Kismasher, MNkali is one of those Inosanto schools that teaches a little bit of everything. If you look at their website, they teach JKD, Muay Thai, BJJ (Machado flavor), WC, etc... So, if JFB really is there, he may have learned these other styles. However, from the way he posts, makes you wonder.
  8. SCO is offline

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    Whereas, when Ive fought with largo, Ive had problems with with/against counters to my strikes. The flowing strikes (at least in the largo style I have learned) makes it so that once you swing you are commited, so it leaves you very open to counters.
    In that case you should not use it.

    Largo requires a blade (and sparring with sticks will have to follow blade-rules) . A long one to play to its strenghs and to rely on it mainly. And distance to start with. That's basic requisites and anyone not being thaught this is ill-instructed. As long a weapon as you can handle is optimal. I usually use 3ft+. If you are only able to flail, it's useless.
    The shorter the weapon, the more you will have to deal with the possiblility of infight, so solely relying on it is not good, but it doesn`t render the concept of largo useless, if you know how to deal with it, in particular if your goal is not to win, but to go home unharmed.
    I`m bored now.



    Edited by - sco on September 10 2003 05:26:44
  9. Kuya is offline

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    Posted On:
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    SCO thanks for stating the obvious. Didnt I say I detest Largo range, and prefer corto? I can fight largo, but I prefer what for me is a better range of corto. I feel 50/50 in largo range, but up close I feel much better. Anyways, there is more to the three ranges than just stick size. One can use corto techniques with a larga stick, or largo techniques with a shorter stick. Its up to the practioner to be able to blend the range styles, and transcend. Yes largo was developed around the use of a kampilan, but that doesnt negate its techniques when used with different sized weapons. FMA aint some Japanese art where everything is nitpicked, and if you weapon aint just right youre screwed. Its adaptable.
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    SCO thanks for stating the obvious
    Pleasure.
    The second paragraph was not particularly directed at you, but you can take it that way if you like. I will refrain from posting other trivialities in this thread, promised <img src=icon_smile.gif border=0 align=middle>.

    Edited by - sco on September 11 2003 12:17:50
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