Posted On:5/07/2007 6:03pm
This is copied from a sports forum. The thread was about the ODH/PBF fight, and of course, the old MMA vs. Boxing argument sprung up. Here, a young boxing fan who apparently is also well-versed in the art of BJJ points out the flaws in my logic.
I tried to make a rebuttal, but I didn't even know where to begin.
I have experience in both.........and no, grappling is not more complicated, nor harder in any aspect, than boxing.
In wrestling and BJJ, the worst thing thats usually going to happen is your going to get subbed, or slammed (which does hurt pretty bad). If you mess up, you lose the wrestling match or get tapped, and then you start over again. I know I was able to roll in BJJ for more than an hour of straight sparring, i definately know about the endurance and intricacies of the sport.
But boxing is different. If you get sloppy, you get punched in the face. If you are against somebody better than you, you get picked apart and punched everywhere. If you get tired, throw the wrong punch, move your head wrong, basically any mistake that your opponent capitalizes on, you get hit in the face or body (which hurts like a bitch by the way). And sparring 4 2 minute rounds in boxing is a bitch, whereas 8 minutes of BJJ is nothing (wrestling is a lot harder though, about the same/maybe more endurance than boxing).
And as far as being more or less complicated, BJJ is a set of moves that work, while slowly and methodically changing position, setting up moves, and then executing. It takes a lot of skill, and is obviously a very effective art (possibly the most effective single fighting style). But in boxing, you have to do the same thing except incredibly fast. Its called "the sweet science" for a reason, its a much more technical sport than just "throwing punches", landing a punch often takes a nice setup or counter, and you have to able to capitalize on SMALL openings really quickly, or its gone. I've trained both, and in my 100% honest opinion, BJJ doesn't compare to boxing in either technicality, skill or overall endurance because almost anybody can learn it as long as they go to class. Wrestling is physically just as hard as boxing, maybe more demanding in some ways (although they don't get hit like you do in boxing), and its a VERY technical sport, but I don't think it compares to the sweet science in terms of the technical aspect. In my opinion, none of the fighting sports do.
Cliff notes: my martial art sucks.
Posted On:5/07/2007 6:41pm
Style: judo, karate, jap jj
he is probably right
you dont do boxing (according to your style field), neither do i
this guy does both, he is in a better position to judge than we are
Posted On:5/07/2007 6:53pm
Style: creonte on hiatus
Originally Posted by Mayweather fan
In wrestling and BJJ, the worst thing thats usually going to happen is your going to get subbed
Is that the worst?
What happened to hyperextended joints? Fractures? Neck/spine injuries? Busted ACLs? The repetitive abuse of the joints that will eventually lead to things... bad things? True, those things don't happen often, but do happen. They are worse than getting "subbed".
Maybe that dude is right and boxing is "harder" than BJJ (define "harder".) However, that a sub is the worst thing that can happen in wrestling/wrappling, that's ignorant bullshit.
Just to make it clear, I'm not taking anything from boxing. I'm a boxing fan. But I'm like :icon_scra when it comes to that dude claiming a background in grappling.
-- EDIT --
Also, it makes no sense to discuss any style vs style with random people over the net. If you are going to, you may as well do it with someone who's background can be corroborated somehow. Maybe that dude is a phenom... or maybe he's just an armchair TV fan. Not having a degree of certaining in this person's background is reason enough to avoid a mental clusterfuck... I mean, argument.
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Posted On:5/07/2007 7:03pm
Style: Improv comedy
Well he's mostly right.
You don't get punch drunk retarded from BJJ.
Boxing can fook you up worse than BJJ from just practising it.
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Posted On:5/07/2007 7:17pm
Style: Taai Si Ji Kung Fu
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Posted On:5/07/2007 7:22pm
boxing= punch them in the face untill they stop
bjj= bend their limbs the wrong way or choke them until they stop
boxing does 1 thing
BJJ does 2 things
therefore we must conclude that BJJ is twice as complicated as boxing
Posted On:5/07/2007 7:57pm
Conflating the separate issues of 'hardness' and 'technicality' does not help things. BJJ isn't nontechnical because you don't get punched in the head, it's just safer to practice.
As far as I can see no one has put forth any convincing arguments to show that boxing is more technical then bjj.
The points thus far seem to be "But they get hit in the head!" and "Why do you think it's called the 'sweet SCIENCE'?".
Posted On:5/07/2007 8:07pm
Style: Boxing, MMA/MT/BJJ n00b
Originally Posted by roly
boxing= punch them in the face untill they stop
what about judo, where you can get thrown, damn hard i might say,
jointlocked, choked, pinned...
and along with that line of thought, can't you argue that the learning curve of boxing is less than bjj, since it makes sense to swing your arms to hit someone? (ignorant statement, i know, but just trying to play devil's advocate, correct me if i'm wrong).
Posted On:5/07/2007 9:06pm
Originally Posted by meggaman7
basically one is a striking art
one is a grappling art
its terribly hard to compare them when they have such a different focus.
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