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  1. Akuma is offline

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    Posted On:
    9/12/2003 10:34am


     

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    AKUMA CHEERS MATE

    WASTREL
    "if you are superpartes comdemn this behaviour and say sorry for all the abuses i had to stand
    WHAT THE? There was a superparty and I wasn't invited?"

    IT IS LATIN (WHICH I HAVE STUDIED),WHAT DO THEY TEACH IN US??????OH MY GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Dochter
    "what physics has to do with "sports sciences" isn't immediately clear to me"
    YES BECAUSE YOU ARE AN IGNORANT (NOT IN A NASTY WAY,LITERALLY)!!!! FOR DOCHTER:
    IN ANY MAJOR COUNTRIES INCLUDED IN THE US (I AM A MEMEBR OF THE AMERICAN COLLEGE OF SPORTSMEDICINE)THE SPORT SCIENCES MAIN AREAS OF RESEARCH:
    EXERCISE PHYSIOLOGY, BIOMECHANICS (ALL BASED ON PHYSICS PRINCIPLES AND BIOMECHANICAL ANALYSIS OF MOVEMENTS),SPORT PSYCHOLOGY,SPORT SOCIOLOGY,SPORT PHILOSOPHY.
    IT IS NOT PHISICAL EDUCATION YOU THICK!!!!!
    REGARDING MY ACADEMIC CURRICULUM, I HAVE ALSO A MPHIL in SPORT SCIENCES (EXERCISE PHYSIOLOGY PATHWAY)SO IF YOU WANT TO ARGUE ON MY AREA OF RESEARCH PLEAS DO SO, I WILL DEMONSTRATE TO PEOPLE IN CASE THEY DID NOT UNDERSTAND FOR THE KARATE ISSUE, HOW STUPID YOU CAN BE (BECAUSE DEEP INSIDE I BELIEVE FROM SOME ANSWERS THAT IT IS ONLY AN ATTITUDE AND YOU CAN BE QUITE CLEVER IF YOU WANT) WE CAN REALLY LAUGH..........

    "Been to an English football riot lately? Elected porn star's to the Italian parliament(?) lately? Europe certainly isn't holding a majority of class"
    I WOULD HAVE A LOT COMMENT ABOUT THAT BUT CLASS IS CLASS (+ I HAVE A LOT OF FRIENDS IN THE US)SO I LIMIT MYSELF TO ONE: DEATH PENALTY (HOW CIVILISED IS THAT???)

    HUBGSTA
    OK,
    FROM THE NEXT THREAD SORRY





    Delta, the reason most people here are acting this way is because they're narrow minded. But I agree with most of them, we cant understand most of your posts....you should get a new keyboard man (no offence meant).
  2. Dochter is offline

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    Posted On:
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    Delta,

    Is the death penalty civilized might be a better question than is it classy. This is an area of debate even within this country. My personal opinion is that it is inequitably applied (particularly in our current president's home state) but that the concept is fine.

    If you you kill and rape a bunch of people I'll happily supply an extension cord. Is this civilized, maybe not but from a similar concept nothing about the ma's is either.
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    9/12/2003 11:33am

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    WOW. I HAD N IDEA WHAT WAS GOING ON IN THIS THREAD.
    I THOUGHT PEOPLE WERE ACTUALLY ARGUING ABOUT WC VS. KARATE.
    I HAD NO IDEA THERE WAS SUCH A PERTY GOING ON HERE.
    Fighting evil and upholding justice in blue silk pajamas baby!
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    vapour sorry this is not true, get any books that speak about the history of the okinawa karate and you will read that even if kung fu influenced okinawa karate, karate or tode was an indigenous system of self defence therefore your argument is incorrect, okinawa karate id not a style of kung fu.

    Just because some books tell you so doesn't mean that is true especially if the book has intention of promoting karate. In orient, there is this stupid idea that student cannot be better than his teacher. For this reason, liying about the orign of arts is sort of sport there.

    Kanryo Higashona the teacher of Chojun Miyagi, the father of Gojuryu karate went to China and learned Chinese kungfu from a master for more than 10 years. The emphasis of the teaching was the sam chien (sanchin) kata of Ngo Cho Kun.

    there was a lot of trade between China and Japan at one point, with Okinawa being nexus. A lot of Japanese /Okinawan traders travelling to many places in the South of China. Quanzhou was a fairly large trade centre between the Chinese and Japanese/Okinawans and it is there that it is believed Ngor Chor was taught to the Japanese/Okinawans where it was modified into Karate.

    I also hear that if you compare not only sanchin from the naha-te styles like goju ryu and uechi ryu, but also tensho which is its partner. There is also a form called "seisan" in the naha-te line that is called "hangetsu" in modern shotokan. They are all very similar.

    Here is something you find it interesting.

    "All Okinawan Karate is said to be influenced by 5 Ancestor's Chuan Fa and Fukkien White Crane. This is a topic of much controversy, but those dedicated karateka who have trained with the old style Okinawan Shinshii (teachers) will agree that the lineage they were taught includes Southern and Northern influences.

    The Shuri Te or Shorin traditions trace their lineage to the Fukkien Shaolin Temple. Bushi Sokon Machimura (Matsumura) studied for many years at the Fukkien Shaolin Temple under the tutelage of Sifu Iwah. He learned Shaolin Chuan Fa and White Crane. He received a teacher's license and integrated these lessons with his knowledge of Jigen Ryu Kenjutsu (martial tradition of the Satsuma Samurai Clan) and the Ti he learned from Tode Sakugawa. He originally called his art Shaolin Ssu or Suidi. The Sanchin of the orthodox Ryu of Shorin, Matsumura Seito, is called Shorinji Sanchin Kata (Shaolin Temple Saam Chien Quan). Another high level form is the "Hakutsuru" or "White Crane" Kata. These forms are seen only in this style of Okinawan Karate, although there are other forms most notably Goju Sanchin, and Happoren, a White Crane based Naha Te Kata.

    ShorinJi Saam Chien uses controlled, unforced breathing as compared to the raspy and forced exhalation of Goju. Use of open hand strikes are prevalent. Many teachers feel that the former is more natural and less harmful than the Goju Ryu Sanchin kata. They point to the fact that many ShuriTe stylists live well beyond their 80s , whereas the majority of Goju practitioners usually die in their 60s or early 70s; often from strokes, aneurysms or heart attacks. As a people Okinawans have one of the longest lifespans of any society on the planet. Food for thought.

    Hohan Soken, the familial heir to Matsumura Seito (Suidi) ShuriTe, also studied with a Chinese tea merchant, Wu Xiangui, who went by the Okinawan name of Gokenki. Chojun Miyagi (Goju) and Kenwa Mabuni (S h i t o Ryu) also studied Gokenki's White Crane forms, and this further added to the Chuan Fa influence seen in Okinawa Karate. Any real Okinawan Sensei knows these things, and was taught and teaches, that these are fundamental parts of the true art of Ryukyuan Toudi (now Japanized to "Karate).

    Hohan Soken also studied for many years on Taiwan in the "Feeding Crane" style. This further enhanced his understanding of the Crane aspect of Shuri Te, and created more diversity and options in an already well-rounded fighting style.

    Higashionna Kanryo Shinshii, father of what is now called Okinawan Goju Ryu, learned some"Whooping Crane" Chuan Fa from a Chinese master by the name of Ru Ru Ko. He trained under Ru Ru Ko's Sifu too- Wai Xinxian. Uechi Kanbun studied Tiger Fist Gung Fu under Zhou Zihe. Neither of these masters earned a teaching certificate, but the added knowledge of these arts helped in the formation of the "Ti" (Okinawa Hand) that came out of the Naha district. Hence, the term Naha Te which denotes the Naha City styles of Uechi Ryu and Goju Ryu (for the most part).

    Shuri Te and Tomari Te, integrated and became Shorin Ryu. This style is a "hard-soft" one too, all Okinawan Karate is. In fact the genesis of the Goju Ryu name has a funny story of miscommunication behind it. It is more like second generation Whooping Crane Chuan Fa, with lots of closed fist strikes. Shuri Te tends to be fast, and offensive, with shallow stances and liberal use of hand techs. Low kicks are the norm, but in some ryuha (subsystems) high kicks are also taught. Positioning is key. Shuri Te is the major influence on Orthodox Shorin, whereas the other ryuha have many Tomari Te elements in their systems (Ryukyuan Kempo and Matsubayashi Ryu in particular). Shuri Te was the style of the palace guards at Shuri Castle, home of the Okinawan royal family. In fact Matsumura was the head palace guard for 3 Okinawan kings. He was over 80 when he retired!

    Naha Te was the Ti of the ordinary man. The Sanchin of this style truly reflects the hard work needed to forge one's body into a thing of iron. Although open hand strikes predominate in Uechi Ryu and the movements are less tense in their kata, the same can be said for Uech Ryu. It's kinda' funny how many experts refer to Shuri Te as being an "External Style" and Goju and Uechi "Internal Styles", when their kata execution points toward the external side. I guess the use of more "circular" movement in Naha Te lends to this. Shuri Te makes use of angular and circular movement. Speed and quickness vs. deliberate power is definitely emphasized."
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    Delta, this is you. <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>



    Edited by - vapour on September 12 2003 11:48:48
  6. Omar is offline

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    9/12/2003 12:05pm

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    Vapour, your link is broken, 'file not found', atr least on MY server.

    btw,
    I've just reviewed the past 3 pages over coffee and a danish, still waking up and . .. em . .anybody got a picture of an Americana? I ain't proud. What is it? (I KNOW it's a sub. I just don't knwo what it looks like)
    Fighting evil and upholding justice in blue silk pajamas baby!
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    My understanding (not a sub wrestling person) is that it is a kimura, just the bjj name for one.

    ...they don't have very fond memories of kimura, hence the different name
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    AKUMA
    I WILL CHANGE MY KEYBOARD SOON, UNFORTUNATELY I DO NOT TYPE FROM HOME BUT FROM A SPORTS CENTER WHERE THERE IS MY DOJO.

    DOTCHER
    " Really, what does your MSc have to do with a karetaka getting his ass kicked? What real relevance does research in physiologic pathways have to do with basic inertia statements? "
    FIRST OF ALL IS NOT AN MSc but an MPHIL, DO YOU KNOW THE DIFFERENCE, OH GOD MAYBE NOT(RESEARCH DEGREE IS SUPERIOR TO A NORMAL MSc, I ACTUALLY PUBLISHED)
    KARATE IS A PHYSICAL ACTIVITIES, POWER, SPEED, FORCE ARE COMPONENT OF KARATE AND, SORRY BUT YOU ARE VERY IGNORANT, PHYSICS IS 90% OF BIOMECHANICS AND I DOT BELIEVE THAT IN COLLEGE YOU DO KNEMATIC ANALYSIS COMPUTERISED OR DEVICED AEREODYNAMICS HELMETS FOR CYCLING FASTER OR USE THA FORCE PLATFORM TO MEASURE THE SPEED OF A A KARATE PUNCH!! AND STUDY THE BETTER SCIENTIFIC ANGULATION TO MAKE IT MORE POWERFULL.
    TO MAKE AN EXAMPLE, WHEN I TEACH I AM ABLE TO POINT OUT THE CORRECT BIOMECHANICAL MOVEMENTS,WHEN I WAS COACH FOR SPORT KARATE I DID PHYSIOLOGICALLY BASED TRAINING AND SO ON, SO PLEASE DO NOT SAY STUPIDITY LIKE I AM 45, I AM 34 DO NOT CONTINUE

    "As an aside you talk about your karate style in its original form having everything you need for fighting in all the ranges. Why then do you feel necessary to point toward your judo dan for verification and evidence of groundfighting / newaza knowledge? Seems slightly contradictory.
    Iíve known Okinawan karate practitioners and they were quite skilled but made no claim that they had a complete system, you do so and then contradict yourself"

    WHY?????WHY???????? SO THICK YOU MAKE ME CRAZY. I LOVE MARTIAL ARTS THEREFORE I ALWAYS TRY OTHER SYSTEMS I AM NOT A CLOSE MINDED AS YOU. I ADORE JUDO, I COMPETED AND HAD THE HONOUR TO TRAIN SEVERAL TIMES AT THE KODOKAN NOT BECAUSE MY STYLE IS INCOMPLETE. I SAID ABOUT JUDO BECAUSE HERE THERE ARE PEOPLE SO NARROW MINDED THAT IF AN OKINAWAN KARATEKA SPEAK ABOUT GROUNDFIGHTING IS **** DOES NOT KNOW, I WANTED TO POINTED OUT THAT I HAD A BACKGROUND IN JUDO AND NIPPON KEMPO THAT I KNEW WHAT I WAS SPEAKING ABOUT. I HAVE SEEN GRAPPLING IN OKINAWA AND IN OKINAWA KATAS.

    NOW ABOUT DEATH PENALTY, IS IT TOO LONG TO EXPLAIN AND I DO NOT HAVE WILL. I AM CHISTIANS AND I DO NOT BELIEVE IN IT. MY ETHICS OBLIGES ME TO FOLLOW THE TEACHING OF JESUS AND HE WOULD HAVE BEEN PISS OFF ABOUT IT, ISN'T IT???? ANYWAY I EXEMPLIFIED FOR YOU, THIS IS NOT THE PLACE AND TIME TO SPEAK ABOUT IT.

    VAPOUR YOU ARE TOO LONG, I AM SURE YOUR ARGUMENTS ARE VERY VERY CONVINCING, MAYBE IF YOU MAKE THEM MORE SHORT I WILL ANSWER TO YOU. SORRY DO NOT FEEL EXCLUDED I LIKE YOU ANYWAY

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    Posted On:
    9/12/2003 1:40pm


     

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    "Engrish does not mine strong point"
    YOU SAY: ENGLISH IS NOT MY STRONG POINT
    SORRY VAPOUR I DID NOT IMMAGINE, I THOUGHT YOU CAME FROM THE UK, DO YOU WANT SOME TUITION? FOR YOU IS FREE.

    BY THE WAY THIS IS FROM YOUR PROFILE
    "Started my MA in Aikido. Moved to Taijichuan. Started to do Judo to practice pushing hand"

    FROM A PERSON LIKE YOU, WITH CLEAR IDEA ABOUT WHAT IS JUDO, CONSISTENT IN HIS TRAINING, IT IS ALWAYS A PLEASURE TO HEAR SOME INTERESTING ARGUMENTS.PLEASE STOP TO READ BOOKS WANKING AND START TO MOVE YOUR ASS,SWEAT A BIT IN THE DOJO AND DO SOME WORK, MAYBE AFTER THAT I CAN TAKE YOU SERIOUSLY.

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    9/12/2003 2:00pm

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    Thanks Doc. So an 'Americana' was 'invented by a Japanese? lol. That's just so like them.
    Fighting evil and upholding justice in blue silk pajamas baby!
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