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  1. Cullion is offline
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    'You fight how you train'

    Well, if you train by rolling around on a floor without your opponent allowed to slam you or hit you, and you don't exchange blows or even practice takedowns from standing very much, then that's all you're really prepared for. It's no more sparring than some forms of pushing hands. It's why people consider it such a great introduction to 'aliveness', but it's also sadly why some people take that experience and think 'woohoo now I'm alive' and charge into CMA threads to lecture us all about forms and dead patterns when some of us train by punching each other in the face and throwing each other hard.

    Where are the DHS threads asking whether they punch each other in the face in training ? and then asking why not?
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    You really don't know what you're talking about and your argument is silly.
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    Good. Now get back into the main forum and start making this point to everybody who goes to a BOXING class, RUNS AROUND THE RING with rules like 'don't KICK ME IN THE LEGS' or 'don't KICK me in the face' but thinks they are part of one big familly of aliveness with their favourite partially BOXING-trained MMA fighter who gets kneed in the face for a living.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cullion
    The difference is that one set of delusional people are fantasizing about mediaeval china, and the other group's fantasies come from watching the UFC.
    Do you similarly consider judo and wrestling to be exercises in fantasy? What about boxing? What about muay thai?
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    Judoka and wrestlers take each other down hard and regularly, Boxers and kickboxers belt each other in the head.. but none of these styles have produced such a huge number of mouthy trolls wandering into the CMA forum to tell us all what aliveness is. It is these people I consider fantasists, not every BJJ practitioner, but why is it that the style specialising in low-impact rolling on the floor so often produces such people?
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    Quote Originally Posted by UpaLumpa
    Do you similarly consider judo and wrestling to be exercises in fantasy? What about boxing? What about muay thai?
    All of those are sports, right? Wushu's a sport too. So is ribbon twirling. San shou, sport. Chinese Martial Arts, not sports, but you can do sports related to them.
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    I think Cullions point is that some people equate BJJ and MMA and think by doing BJJ they're doing MMA.

    I will say that I have never met one person in real life at BJJ who thought this, however my BJJ training mostly takes place in an MMA gym so you only have to look over at the mma fighters sparring in the ring to know the difference.
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    I think Cullions point is that some people equate BJJ and MMA and think by doing BJJ they're doing MMA.
    Or at least feel entitled to act as an 'aliveness police' for everybody else.

    I will say that I have never met one person in real life at BJJ who thought this, however my BJJ training mostly takes place in an MMA gym so you only have to look over at the mma fighters sparring in the ring to know the difference.
    Neither have I, I only encounter them on forums.
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    I just can't wait for somebody who's only ever trained in no-striking/low-impact groundwork to come and cite a Gracie victory in the Octagon against somebody trying to beat them into unconciousness (which they had obviously regularly trained against unlike the Joe Nutrider) as a reason why their training makes them qualified to judge a the striking or throwing methods of a CMA.
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    Doing things that clearly contradict established effective practices warrants discussion, even if I'm not some fearsome stand-up warrior. If someone is advocating blatantly illogical fighting practices and can't justify it, does it matter that my boxing sucks?

    Similarly, if your training methodologies don't include practices that attempt to simulate a "real" fight, i.e. sparring, I'm perfectly justified in saying there's an issue.
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