Thread: Jason Delucia investigation?
5/03/2007 9:06am, #31
Originally Posted by aardvarks
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I am not taking away his skill as a pro fighter in the least. I only questioned his label as a Kung Fu expert. Now I understand.
5/03/2007 9:29am, #32
Originally Posted by Pimpslapper
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I get the impression you don't understand. What you quoted from Jason goes to the crux of "what is Kung Fu?" It appears to me he understands exactly what Kung Fu is at a far deeper level than the hints of your knowledge of the subject within what you've written as of yet.
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5/03/2007 9:37am, #33
Eh. There is a distinction to be made here, for all the original poster came off as merely wanting to stir things up in the original post.
Jason Delucia can fight, and fight well. Whatever he's doing, it's working. In 54 fights listed on Sherdog, he's won 33, and he started in the early UFC days where very little was disallowed. Calling bullshit on him as a fighter would be ludicrous, and clearly he has knowledge to impart.
The original poster is however asking if he's genuinely a kung fu man. He wants a lineage. This is different. The question is: "is he what he claims to be?" And the first step would surely be to find out what exactly he's claiming to be. Mr. Delucia doesn't seem particularly secretive, so this ought to be easy.
If it turns out that Mr. Delucia is no more a kung fu practitioner than Gary Goodridge is a Kuk Sool Won practitioner, it would be another blow to the too-slender evidence for traditional kung fu being on a par with anything else. This doesn't seem in the interests of the original poster, but hey, it's his call.
The ring is not a pressure test. Sorry to burst your bubble. I work in the most popular watering hole in the city, and havet to submit to "the pressure test" on a weekly basis, in real life situations, which don't have rules, and refs.
Really testing your **** involves stepping up against someone who's theoretically or actually got enough training to beat you. Judo did it. Boxing did it. Judoka and boxers went out throughout the late 19th and early 20th century and fought whoever stepped up under whatever ruleset they liked, and they beat the tar out of lots of people, and now the two arts are everywhere. For many of us here, your art currently lacks that credibility. Kung fu wasn't spread across the West by challenge matches, but by martial arts movies. Unless you can produce a better exponent than Mr. Delucia who's willing to throw down, criticising him for not doing what you do just convinces the rest of us that what you do must be worthless, since we've never heard of anyone known for kicking ass with it.
5/03/2007 12:01pm, #34Originally Posted by Sophist
Originally Posted by pimpslapper
5/03/2007 12:05pm, #35
Pimpslapper, explain your style of kung fu and your sparring please.
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5/03/2007 1:32pm, #37
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5/03/2007 1:49pm, #38
Originally Posted by Pimpslapper
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I find it strange that all the people who challenged the gracies sucked, you would think out of all the d34dly strikers the gracie family (and grapplers in general) have owned that atleast one of them would have been good and a real representation of their art. I guess not!
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5/03/2007 2:03pm, #39
But then he'd have to question the legitimacy of the 10 years he spent earning his gold sash.
5/03/2007 3:39pm, #40
I don't think Jason Delucia should be above suspicion, nor anyone else. However, Jason has actually gone in the ring multiple times to prove himself amongst other achievements. He's not some fat bullshido artist who claims he's too deadly for the ring. I think that raises the bar as far as claiming bullshido.
The only serious accusation that I have seen in this thread is that maybe his KF lineage is exaggerated. That should be easy to prove of disprove. The rest of this thread is just noise.Anyone who has the power to make you believe absurdities has the power to make you commit injustices.