Jason Delucia investigation?

[Pimpslapper]

As a noob, I am probably not the proper one to post this, however I agree. It has been decided that he is not fabricating his fight record, the one thing most of the subjects claim but are never able to substantiate, the only thing left is his "5-Animal" training, which you have called into question. To rectify that:
1) E-Mail the guy and ask about his training, lineage, why you think he should use the cat-stance more often....he e-mail is redily available on his site
2) He offers, by appointment a training session with him. If satisfying your curiosity means that much to you, crack open the wallet, pay the man and find out. Hell, if you piss him off he may offer you a tune-up for free
3) Ask if anyone on this site has trained with him

If you are not willing to put forth the effort and accept the results, then just drop it and move on.

Just found this from Jason Delucia himself. Answers my question, and it is all clear now. I will move on now, thank you for your time.

"Most people who consistently accrue knowledge for 20 years or more have true levels past 6th Dan in technical knowledge. I am one of those many people. Bear in mind that as with most people in this situation, those levels are full of everything from Silat to Shaolin and Japanese boxing — every empty hand and relevant armed system that you absorb should be listed. Anyone can embellish a list to make it look bigger than it really is, but I do not choose to do that. In my life I may never be assessed for true rank, and that does not matter to me. If it were to happen, it would have to be judged technically by a panel consisting of Glen Webber, Yoshimitsu Yamada, John Stevens, Gaku Homma, Mitsunari Kanai, Hiroshi Ikeda, Haruo Matsuoka, Kensho Furuya, Stan Pranin, Katsuyuki Kondo and Dr. Yang Jwing Ming. Each would recognize something specific that I learned from him. This notwithstanding, I am a white belt in the Azabu Aikikai in Tokyo. Except for two people on this list, I have never met any of these men, only studied their work within the parameters of the sport."


"http://www.aikidojournal.com/?id=972"

I am not taking away his skill as a pro fighter in the least. I only questioned his label as a Kung Fu expert. Now I understand.

[Tom Kagan]

I am not taking away his skill as a pro fighter in the least. I only questioned his label as a Kung Fu expert. Now I understand.

I get the impression you don't understand. What you quoted from Jason goes to the crux of "what is Kung Fu?" It appears to me he understands exactly what Kung Fu is at a far deeper level than the hints of your knowledge of the subject within what you've written as of yet.

[Sophist]

Eh. There is a distinction to be made here, for all the original poster came off as merely wanting to stir things up in the original post.

Jason Delucia can fight, and fight well. Whatever he's doing, it's working. In 54 fights listed on Sherdog, he's won 33, and he started in the early UFC days where very little was disallowed. Calling bullshit on him as a fighter would be ludicrous, and clearly he has knowledge to impart.

The original poster is however asking if he's genuinely a kung fu man. He wants a lineage. This is different. The question is: "is he what he claims to be?" And the first step would surely be to find out what exactly he's claiming to be. Mr. Delucia doesn't seem particularly secretive, so this ought to be easy.

If it turns out that Mr. Delucia is no more a kung fu practitioner than Gary Goodridge is a Kuk Sool Won practitioner, it would be another blow to the too-slender evidence for traditional kung fu being on a par with anything else. This doesn't seem in the interests of the original poster, but hey, it's his call.

The ring is not a pressure test. Sorry to burst your bubble. I work in the most popular watering hole in the city, and havet to submit to "the pressure test" on a weekly basis, in real life situations, which don't have rules, and refs.

And this is really, really fucking stupid. Plenty of untrained bouncers deal just fine with drunken idiots, having only size on their side. This is because drunken idiots aren't particularly good fighters, and bouncers tend to have a numerical advantage. This is like saying "I can outswim my retarded cousin in the ocean, so I'm a better swimmer than these Olympic champion sissies who compete in swimming pools".

Really testing your **** involves stepping up against someone who's theoretically or actually got enough training to beat you. Judo did it. Boxing did it. Judoka and boxers went out throughout the late 19th and early 20th century and fought whoever stepped up under whatever ruleset they liked, and they beat the tar out of lots of people, and now the two arts are everywhere. For many of us here, your art currently lacks that credibility. Kung fu wasn't spread across the West by challenge matches, but by martial arts movies. Unless you can produce a better exponent than Mr. Delucia who's willing to throw down, criticising him for not doing what you do just convinces the rest of us that what you do must be worthless, since we've never heard of anyone known for kicking ass with it.

[It is Fake]

The original poster is however asking if he's genuinely a kung fu man. He wants a lineage. This is different.

No, this is what it morphed into after he was questioned and taken to task.

My point is, he is a fraud. He never studied Kung Fu.

Yeah, blows your point out of the water. It was never about lineage or true kung fu. If it was he wouldn't make a statement this cut and dry.

[It is Fake]

Pimpslapper, explain your style of kung fu and your sparring please.

[Yamabushi]

Chin Na is much more effective for real life situations, as are the CLF groundifghting techniques.

I wasn't aware that CLF had groundfighting - perhaps you could provide some examples? Video of it in action would be best.

[Teh El Macho]

I wasn't aware that CLF had groundfighting - perhaps you could provide some examples? Video of it in action would be best.

Yeah, I'm curious about that, too. There is a CLF school near me that puts Sanda fighters regularly. My impression from that school is that it was strictly standup, and that anyone who wanted groundfighting should cross train at a school that teaches it.

On another note, has Omega seen this thread already?

[ChiBlast]

He makes kung fu look bad on youtube, and to the rest of the world.

So basically JD got owned and showed how ineffective Kung Fu (and all striking only arts) are against a well trained grappler. However instead of doing the smart thing and going and cross training in grappling you instead decide to get your ass in your hand about how he is not really a Kung Fu guy and how a r34l Kung Fu man is d34dly and JD is giving Kung Fu a bad name. Well if thats the way your going I guess you should probably discredit all the d34dly strikers who have been owned by grapplers, they all sucked and non of them were the r34l <insert art here>

I find it strange that all the people who challenged the gracies sucked, you would think out of all the d34dly strikers the gracie family (and grapplers in general) have owned that atleast one of them would have been good and a real representation of their art. I guess not!

[It is Fake]

But then he'd have to question the legitimacy of the 10 years he spent earning his gold sash.

:qgreenjum

[meataxe]

I don't think Jason Delucia should be above suspicion, nor anyone else. However, Jason has actually gone in the ring multiple times to prove himself amongst other achievements. He's not some fat bullshido artist who claims he's too deadly for the ring. I think that raises the bar as far as claiming bullshido.

The only serious accusation that I have seen in this thread is that maybe his KF lineage is exaggerated. That should be easy to prove of disprove. The rest of this thread is just noise.