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  1. MrMcFu is offline

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    Brainwashing, WT, ninjitsu, aikido fanboys

    "There are two types of fanboys in the world: those who passionately support a team, product, company or organization in a balanced way, and those who passionately support something to the point of becoming an irrational, spitting tornado of anger. The first type is normal and is the result of a healthy competitive nature. The problem, however, is when a person becomes unwilling to objectively criticize what is being rooted for; criticism that is in the best interest of both the consuming individual and the "team" in question.

    The last thing the world needs is another article on fanboys. To highlight them is to encourage them; something most try to avoid. However, we think it's important to admonish their culture in the hopes of changing it. Once that happens, video game culture can only improve. So the next time you're staring at your face in the mirror, ask yourself this question: does this list apply to you?

    1. You become upset when something you like is questioned.

    Fanboys almost universally interpret criticism as a bad thing, generally responding with hostility. The irony of this is that unbridled enthusiasm benefits no one in the long run. When consumer products are blindly followed without criticism, improvement is frustrated and buyers ultimately get the shaft. It's in everyone's best interest to honestly evaluate what's being sold, be that a system made by Sony, Microsoft, or Nintendo.

    2. You are intellectually dishonest.

    If you truly believe you are always right and can never be wrong, you -- my friend -- are intellectually dishonest. Common side affects include an unwillingness to hear out opposing arguments, an overlying fear of facts, a rejection of the truth, and opining without requisite context or knowledge (even worse, without thoroughly reading the issues being discussed!).

    3. You resort to personal attacks during debate.

    Fanboys let their myopic revelry define who there are. Pinning your very existence on the success of a mass market product like the Xbox 360 or PS3 can be a scary thing. Thus, personal insecurity often drives fanboys to spew trite insults and hateful speech when engaging with others in a discussion. The Urban Dictionary aptly describes the occurrence, "[They] put down people who don't like whatever it is they like and will disregard any factors that differ from their point of view." If you have a tough time separating emotion from discussion, you might be a fanboy.

    4. The defeat of your enemy is more rewarding than your victory.

    Rooting for the success of a "team" is one thing. In fact, millions of Americans do this daily for professional sports teams, favored products, even company stock. But relentlessly celebrating the loss of another in place of your own victory is problematic. I'm not talking about cheering when the Yankees lose; I'm talking about finding pleasure in spamming rival console forums, sabotaging Wikipedia entries, and disrupting the peaceful assembly of others.

    5. You bring nothing new to a conversation.

    Shipped consoles versus sold? We've all heard that tired argument a thousand times. Does it really matter? If you feel strongly about a subject, make an informed, creative case while backing it up with facts and cross-references. Look to enlighten the argument, not rehash the same points ad nauseum. Better yet, try a different approach if you feel you're not being heard. If "you suck" is the best counter argument you have, you're not even trying.
    6. You are anti-fanboy.

    Don't get me wrong -- no one likes a troll. But if you've made it your life's work to counter and antagonize fanboys, you're only adding to the problem. Anti-fanboys regularly accuse others of being fanboys in derogatory fashion. It's a vicious cycle. The name gets loosely thrown around yet tells more of the individual using the term than the person it's directed at. Calling someone a fanboy without proper cause is merely evidence of a weak mind trying to get noticed.

    No one is completely devoid of bias, and everyone has a little fanboy in 'em. But extremes should be avoided. Ultimately, fanboyism is just blind consumerism most commonly found during one's formative years; the driving force largely being irrationality. So take heed, gamers. And embrace the idea of a world with a lot less aggravation."

    http://gamepro.com/gamepro/domestic/...s/110788.shtml

    I found this article very good. Aside from noticing fanboy tendancies in others, it also helps to keep them in check within yourself.

    While by no means authoritative, some of the things fit some forum members to a 'T'.
  2. Fitz is offline

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    If you've never read it check out True Believer: Thoughts on the Nature of Mass Movements to get an idea of some of the deeper end of full tilt "Fanboyism" and the extremes it can go.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fitz
    If you've never read it check out True Believer: Thoughts on the Nature of Mass Movements to get an idea of some of the deeper end of full tilt "Fanboyism" and the extremes it can go.
    http://www.erichoffer.net/

    I think he first came up with the idea . . . not sure, but I love his books.
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    the original name for "fanboy" must have been religion. all the same **** applies! I have been thinking how religious folk are akin to those who beleive in all these chi masters and Martial miracle workers. Your article perfectly describes such a mindset......
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    Quote Originally Posted by jaroge
    the original name for "fanboy" must have been religion. all the same **** applies! I have been thinking how religious folk are akin to those who beleive in all these chi masters and Martial miracle workers. Your article perfectly describes such a mindset......
    One of the key points in Hoffer's True Believer is that they are nearly the same no matter what it is they believe. It's the same deep structure with slightly different drapes.

    Orrin E. Klapp covers some similar territory in his The Collective Search for Identity. Chances are if you love Hoffer you'll probably like Klapp as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fitz
    If you've never read it check out True Believer: Thoughts on the Nature of Mass Movements to get an idea of some of the deeper end of full tilt "Fanboyism" and the extremes it can go.
    sounds good, will check it out, thanks!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fitz
    One of the key points in Hoffer's True Believer is that they are nearly the same no matter what it is they believe. It's the same deep structure with slightly different drapes.
    It's interesting. You can compare such seemingly opposites as Bush and Bin Laden in this way and see parallels in their behavior.
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    Thanks McFu. I'm going to have to check this book out.

    I'll still be an asshole though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrMcFu
    It's interesting. You can compare such seemingly opposites as Bush and Bin Laden in this way and see parallels in their behavior.
    Oh sure, as well as with people of even seemingly milder belief such as adherents to so-called "Cult brands" like Apple Computers, obsessive band fans and the like. Some people simply have a tremendous amount of will to believe. What they believe is simply a convenience.
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    Sounds like Fang Shen Do
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