Thread: TKD calls out MMA
4/30/2007 10:53am, #61
In light of that, the writer has no perspective and his assessment would be akin to me saying his art "is an art started by and propagated by a people who have committed mass murder at universities and is the official martial art of an Axis of Evil nation, and no one wants their child to be exposed to evildoers and mentally unstable mass murderers, do they?".
See? It just doesn't hold up. I hope he opens his eyes up to the truth of the matter instead of making ridiculous statements. TUF is a show creatively edited for ratings that appeals to an 18-35 year old male demographic. Also, for the most part, a shaved head is an indicator of male pattern baldness rather than a statement about beliefs.
Or, it may just be a smokescreen to protect his livelihood. I hope not.
4/30/2007 11:03am, #62
Originally Posted by Naszir
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Or we could just send him every artivcle we could find about every TKD instructor who gets cought diddling little kids. Talk about bad role models.
But that would be in poor taste and I'm better than that.
No I'm not
4/30/2007 11:20am, #63Originally Posted by Naszir
Frame 1: "Taekwondo, Tang Soo Do, Hapkido" superimposed over and slowly fading into images of Kim Jong Il, NK military parades and missiles.
Frame 2: "Karate, Judo" superimposed over / fading into images of Tojo, the rape of Nanking (if any exist), Pearl Harbor, etc.
Frame 3: "Kung Fu, Tai Chi Chuan, _ing _un" superimposed / fading into images of Mao, the "great leap forward," the "cultural revolution," and the massacre at Tiananmen Square.
It doesn't matter that none of the people who created these things are related to those atrocities, and it doesn't matter that some practitioners of these arts were even persecuted by the very governments being indicted. Just like it doesn't matter that Bas Rutten, Rich Franklin, Georges St. Pierre, Randy Couture, Sean Sherk, CroCop, Fedor, Gomi, and indeed most of the highest profile names in MMA are great human beings.
Going negative is a bad strategy for TMA apologists. Asia isn't the unsullied font of all honor and morality, and if these TMA folks (most of whom, I'd bet, are white) keep saying it is, at some point we'll have to point out the flaws in that assessment.
4/30/2007 12:35pm, #64
Personally I find comparing TKD instructors to pedophiles being a much better negative ad campaign. Think about it. MMA and sportive MA schools have focus and purpose. LARP schools who claim to build everything in a person BUT fighting ability, are the ones who have no drive, purpose, ability and chances are just pathetic excuses for human beings, rejected from most in life so they relish in the adoration of children. Scary people to leave your kid around if you ask me.Knowing is not enough, you must apply...
...Willing is not enough you must do ~Bruce Lee
4/30/2007 12:40pm, #65
Originally Posted by Naszir
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I don't think the writer of that pamphlet really cares if BJJ/MMA or other schools are good. I think the pamphlet is mostly about marketing. He seems to know his school isn't that great (large class size, lack of instructors, long contracts suggest this), so he puts down everyone else.
4/30/2007 3:20pm, #66Originally Posted by Kempoist
Ok Guys, if my report offended anyone I appologize. What you have to keep in
mind is the CONTEXT of the entire report. Remember, it is not an essay, but
essentially a marketing piece and its audience is a typical "Mom" of a 6 year
old. When I wrote it I did so through the eyes of a typical mother and rather
than have it be a lengthy dissertation on martial arts styles or history, its
basic purpose is to warn parents about illegitimate instructors IN MY AREA and
what I consider to be dangrous practices for children.
Here's the most important conextual point: The report is VERY SPECIFIC to a
particular "competing" school in my area, and much of the report was written so
that if anyone who read it walked into that school they will know exactly
- admits it's specifically aimed at an audience who lacks the proper knowledge to evaluate his claims
- admits it's aimed at his competition
The Jim McCaan guy is moving to this school: http://www.competitiveedge.cc/#
Our programs include the martial arts of Taekwondo, Kickboxing, Boxing, Grappling / Submission Wrestling, Catch-as-Catch Can, and Scientific Wrestling. Supplemental programs include Cardio-conditioning classes, Taekwondo Competition and Private Intense Training.
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4/30/2007 6:24pm, #67
4/30/2007 7:05pm, #68
This "report" should be forwarded to Mr. McCaan along with Ran Zohar's defense of it.
Hell, someone just e-mail him a link to this thread.
4/30/2007 8:14pm, #69
I just read the last page of this thread, so forgive me if I'm off target. I think the best anti-TKD ad would be that clip where the TKD guy gets headslammed into the ground with the words "tae kwon owned" in big red letters coming up when his head hits the ground.
4/30/2007 8:39pm, #70
Originally Posted by Lv1Sierpinski
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Whether or not an MA is any better or worse than another is a matter of perspective. This guy views the behavior (and by extension the ethics) of the local MMA school as something really bad you need to protect children from. Obviously, other people disagree with him. GnPing a win can be viewed as a very brutal, unneccessary way of beating your opponent (while literally beating him), and the soccer moms won't see it as a "nice" way of winning a fight (and depending on the laws in the area, the cops might not either). On the other hand, everybody getting a trophy for showing up is false and insulting to those of actual talent. Whose ethics are better than the others? All a matter of opinion.
The TKD guy is doing himself a disservice by propogating such a negative stereotype. He could even get charged with slander, since he admits it is about a specific individual. If anything, he needs to go back and rewrite those "guidelines" according to the ethics he suggests are important in them.