Thread: TKD calls out MMA
4/28/2007 12:05pm, #31
Originally Posted by bodhistate
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- Chattanooga Tennessee
Then sent back.
When he was eight.
4/28/2007 3:29pm, #32
It should also be mentioned that the most parents who want their kid to do MA pretty much want them to able to defend themselves, but they don't want their kids exposed to anything "violent". I still remember my father being extremely unhappy at the idea of me learning MA from someone who worked as a doorman - despite the fact that a doorman is far more likely to know a bit about self defense than some twat who's never even done any full contact competition.
So as the MMA community we should really combat stuff like this and point out that actually the vast majority of MMA practitioners are very nice people who only engage in violence on the mat and in the ring.
4/28/2007 3:54pm, #33
Originally Posted by Kempoist
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- Manhattan Beach, California, United States
- Muay Thai, Judo, BJJ
4/28/2007 4:11pm, #34
I usually get angry about stuff like this, but for some reason, it doesn't irk me this time. It's just a product of desperation and ignorance. They're using the bloodsport boogeyman to scare parents, and as shitty as that is, it's also a little pathetic. There is no moral teaching, no ethical principle, that TKD teaches, that isn't taught better at my BJJ/MMA gym. TKD tells you to use restraint; BJJ/MMA forces you to when you roll competitively with the new guy. TKD tells you to keep your pride in check; in BJJ/MMA, pride will get you tapped/beaten up, and you won't survive your first three weeks with your pride intact anyway. TKD tells you your training partners are your brothers and sisters; in BJJ/MMA, it never even crosses your mind to doubt this. TKD tells you to be calm and cool under pressure; in BJJ/MMA, you're constantly under pressure, so you become acclimatized to it. TKD tells you to shake hands with your opponent after a match; in BJJ/MMA it's an automatic reaction. TKD tells you not to get into fights; BJJ/MMA teaches you how much it would hurt and suck even to win a fight with somebody who's trying to brutalize you.
TKD is struggling with its irrelevance. It shouldn't be. It's an Olympic sport, like synchronized swimming and figure skating, and will therefore be one of the few traditional martial arts to survive the MMA revolution with any semblance of its former popularity and reputation. The fact is, though, that the only value of TKD for self-defense is teaching kids how to kick with an open hip, which will be valuable when they start kickboxing at an MMA gym.
Kids should take MMA. First, it will teach them how to fight, as opposed to how to play TKD. Second, the lessons they learn from their own experiences will be ten times more powerful than any moralistic blather handed down from on high.
P.S. The axe-kick is pretty useful against a downed opponent too, I guess, but if you use it when your opponent's up you're just asking for a pelvis-wrenching takedown.
4/28/2007 4:22pm, #35
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- Washington DC. USA
This bad sales pitch made me LoL.
The part about how a martial art has to have an Asian background to be legitimate, that was cute. The whole portion devoted to MMA made me wish I was a thug.
4/28/2007 4:38pm, #36
Originally Posted by Binary
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However, I also think that circumcision is child abuse and some forms of corporeal punishment on kids is not. Thus, grey areas.
4/28/2007 4:41pm, #37Originally Posted by kohadril
Kids should take MMA. First, it will teach them how to fight, as opposed to how to play TKD. Second, the lessons they learn from their own experiences will be ten times more powerful than any moralistic blather handed down from on high.Anyone who has the power to make you believe absurdities has the power to make you commit injustices.
4/28/2007 4:58pm, #38Originally Posted by meataxe
I would plus rep you if this were another forum.
4/28/2007 6:22pm, #39
Why oh why do we insist on these huge package deals in America anyway? Why does a single activity or hobby have to fill all of your needs simultaneously? Why does your wife have to be your best friend too? Diversify! Send your kid to a gym and teach him to fight from Monday to Friday, feed him on Saturday, and then if you think he needs it drop him off at church on Sunday morning to get all the morals and ethics and whatnot he can stomach.
As an aside I agree with JHelmsley back on page 3. I'd die of shame if I looked like that and tried to insist that people refer to me as a "Master" of any physical activity more demanding than shuffleboard.
4/28/2007 6:43pm, #40Originally Posted by meataxe
The thirteen year old black belt nth dan teaching the class is qualified to instill values in your own kid?
People who take on this role should either have extensive life experience or some sort of qualification besides being in the Black Belt club. Why does an MA have to teach moral values beyond hard work and not getting your ass kicked (including not provoking people to kick your ass)? I think, like MrGelt said, it's basically about one-stop shopping. Maybe parents are just lazy and get what they deserve. It's funny that MA are an area where spending an enormous amount of money doesn't cause people to question how much of an educated consumer they are. :bduh: