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  1. kwoww is offline
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    I think the idea here is to separate BS from a simply different value system. BS is claiming that MMA people are thugs, or that TMA guys are pansies, or making generally false statements to enhance your own school. Anyone who thinks a school or even an entire style sucks simply because of what people say its "values" are is full of **** themselves.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ironlurker
    Very interesting document there. Just the right dose of good advice (MA is not babysitting, watch out for made up styles) to season a heck of a lot of propaganda (only "Asian" MA's are good, MMA thugs etc.) and hardcore McDojoism (humongous classes and "professional level price"= quality, don't pay by the month).

    This link has another sales pitch, with the 8 yr old black belts etc.

    http://www.trykaratefree.com/site/vi...nid=h72i8omnz7
    Oh yes, it's definitely worth noting that Ran Zohar, the author of this "Consumer Report," is running a school that, on first glance, seems very much like a McDojo. I won't go as far as saying that his school IS a McDojo, but there certainly is a lot of questionable material on the school's website, such as 8-year-old black belts, a babysitting/camp program ("Ninja Camp"), Karate Birthday Parties, over-emphasis on teaching "life skills" and less emphasis on self-defense, etc.

    It's possible that this school is simply giving students false confidence and a false sense of security, based on the students' perception of their own (untested) skills. Since non-violence is strongly emphasized by this school, their students may very well not know how to deal with and react against an aggressive attacker in a real-life scrape. If I were a parent, I would feel very uncomfortable sending my children to a school like this.
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    Posted On:
    4/28/2007 12:13am


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ronin.74
    First of all I want that 10 minutes of my life back.
    And I want my youthful delusion that all people are inherently intelligent and good back.
    Funny, that link seems to be the source of both our problems.
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    Posted On:
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    Quote Originally Posted by bodhistate
    I read that outtake (I'm not going to bother reading the entire thing), and found it quite funny, and your above outrage as the cherry on top. People posting on Bullshido spend most of their time doing the EXACT same trashtalking of every MA style that doesn't hold the same values as MMA and the like do. I think it's mighty funny that someone took that same things that people say about TKD and spun it around to fit a stereotype of MMA! I bet you could find a lot of MMA guys who fit the description that guy gave and is blanketing over all MMA practioners and schools, just like people here do about other MAists who don't spend all their time training "alive." Please. Self-righteous indignation is not suited to people on this site. Because seriously, who is (anyone) to judge what the "true" values and traditions of martial arts should be?
    Well you are wrong there buddy.

    This is what they have said about MMA and BJJ since the beginning of said fad. Get your facts straight.
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    Posted On:
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    I was more offended by his defense of McDojoism as a good sign of a good school, than the ignorant ramblings about thuggish MMAers who just like to bully and beat on others.
    Knowing is not enough, you must apply...
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    Quote Originally Posted by bodhistate
    Because seriously, who is (anyone) to judge what the "true" values and traditions of martial arts should be?
    We are.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Ronin.74
    First of all I want that 10 minutes of my life back.

    So let me see if I can give a basic run down of that 12 pages of **** I just read.

    -MMA students are all thugs. If you don't want your kid to become a thug they should take TKD at my school. If they take MA at a school that has a separate MMA program it won't matter that it's separate, they'll still become thugs.

    -MA is about a bunch of hippy crap (philosophy, traditional values, ethics, conflict resolution) it's not really about being able to fight or heaven forbid actually defend yourself if necessary. His school is great because he teaches the hippy crap.

    -Contracts are a good thing!! They make your kid stay even when he hates it (yeah right). Any school that doesn't have contracts and lets you pay month to month is BAD!!!

    -Schools that compete a lot are BAD!!!

    He did at least get a few things right.;

    -Watch a class first and see if it's the kind of place you want your child learning in.
    -Check out the credentials of the instructor
    -If the art being taught sounds exotic, google it! Again research it before you sign up to make sure it's not bullshit.
    -Does the instructor seem capable of teaching the skills that you want your child to learn.

    It basically came off as it was supposed to, as a marketing pamphlet. I hope some "thug" MMA guy steps in and crams one of these pamphlets down his throat.
    I stopped reading at "Schools that compete a lot are BAD!!!" to go sign up. All my boys from ultimate frisbee would be into this too.
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    4/28/2007 1:04am


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    He makes some decent points (Why would a doctor be moonlighting as a karate instructor) but the slavery to the "Asian Martial arts are the only true Martial arts" cause any of his good points to be flushed down the crapper.
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