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    Quote Originally Posted by Question!
    Chili Pepper, what would you consider to be a long punyo?
    Although I've only been taking kali for four months, I've found that anything more that 2 inches of punyo will inhibit a proper swing, and I personally keep only 1 inch of punyo.

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    about as long as your fist is the longest I've seen without messing with you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Question!
    Chili Pepper, what would you consider to be a long punyo?
    Fist-width. I'll go with about 2 inches absolute maximum, personally - much longer than that and it gets hung up too easily.

    Realistically, all you need is a little extension so that you've got a striking tool, and so that your hand won't slip off the end. I get a little nutty when I see someone choking way up on the stick, because that means they're training to throw a million flippy little abaniko strikes rather than something with a little ka-POW behind it, and/or it facilitates fancy baton-twirling.

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    About fist length will keep it from coming out of your hand if you actually repeatedly punyo something kind of hard(like people).

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    In addition to all the good comments, try to look for immediacy and directness in technical application. Remember weapon based training is hardly rooted in sport. you are looking at applications designed for lethality whether defensive or offensive. Simplicity and directness is important for functional application. If you hear a great deal of "well ,in a real fight i wouldn't use this 15 move entry." be wary. Flow drills have a purpose, but has anyone seen a fight turn into Hubud ?? Look for fluidity, adaptation, and CONTACT. Adding to kali for the sake of "looking cool" does little to help in a real world fight. I believe true kali is demonstrated in quick decisive action. The drills are important, but if the school you are observing does nothing but sinawali and sumbrada you are witnessing a devolution of a very capable combative method. You should see knife ,stick, pangamut (empty hands) and Dumog (grappling/wrestling) for a rounded curriculum.

    my 10 cents.
    Yes i do kali and silat and yes i appreciate MMA /Bjj ...no art bashing from me. Study everything that you have time to study ,even maybe wing chun.....well ...uhh...maybe

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    Good FMA training

    In addition to all the good comments, try to look for immediacy and directness in technical application. Remember weapon based training is hardly rooted in sport. you are looking at applications designed for lethality whether defensive or offensive. Simplicity and directness is important for functional application. If you hear a great deal of "well ,in a real fight i wouldn't use this 15 move entry." be wary. Flow drills have a purpose, but has anyone seen a fight turn into Hubud ?? Look for fluidity, adaptation, and CONTACT. Adding to kali for the sake of "looking cool" does little to help in a real world fight. I believe true kali is demonstrated in quick decisive action. The drills are important, but if the school you are observing does nothing but sinawali and sumbrada you are witnessing a devolution of a very capable combative method. You should see knife ,stick, pangamut (empty hands) and Dumog (grappling/wrestling) for a rounded curriculum.

    my 10 cents.
    Yes i do kali and silat and yes i appreciate MMA /Bjj ...no art bashing from me. Study everything that you have time to study ,even maybe wing chun.....well ...uhh...maybe

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    additionally, a longer punyo (we use a fist width) allows you to hook things with the punyo in corto. it's not all twirling and tapi-tapi.



    tim

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    I think if you have smaller fists, like me, you should have a fist+ punyo, as sticks are alot more stable this way.

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    Sorry for rezzing the thread, but i'm looking for FMA schools in Lisbon, Portugal, and this one got my attention. My only option seems like a school that teaches "Modern Arnis" and "Kombatan"... I've lurked enough on the intarwebs to know that Modern Arnis precludes Kombatan, but are they competent styles?
    Also, this school claims it's part of the International Philippine Martial Arts Federation.
    Is this a trustworthy body?

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    They also claim to have been tought by Jürg Ziegler. I found about 4 entries about him here in Bullshido, and none seem to add more than his obvious rotundness (a future systema instructor?)

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