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  1. catfishaggie is online now

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    Quote Originally Posted by TKD 1 View Post
    first, I am here to give credibilty to the claims made here of him being self promoted, leading scams, and being a disgrace to the entire martial arts industry.

    reading over this thread quickly, I didn't see anything about his interest in kiddie porn. Evidence of this has been provided to the authorities and is currently being investigated.

    Stephen Ray, started his martial arts training with YS Rho in the florisant area then moved with him to the ballwin area. He was pretty much YS Rho's whipping boy. He then worked for Young Chul Rho in the south county area. His lieing and lack of knowledge keep him in hot water with the directors of World Martial Arts Academy... In march of 2000 due to circumstances involving one of the founders of WMAA having to leave the area due to family sickness, Steven Ray was given an oppurtunity to run purchase one of the schools. He was provided with Instructors becasuse he wasn't qualified to teach / instruct. In a matter of months his lieing and self promoting got him kicked out and the business taking back from him.

    There was a number of students that accused him of watching them in the locker rooms and rest rooms but no hard evidence was produced. As far as WMAA was concerned he was told to leave and never again mention being associated with them. HENCE him now saying he has different instruction. He quickly opened another school in the olivette area which failed fast .. then he moved back to the florrisant area where he currently scams people. He is now a self healer and a bishop.. LOL His "church" he opened in india was a place that you payed a fee they put up a sign and take a few pictures. then the next guy in line takes down the sign and puts up his...

    He has defaulted on 100s of thousands of dollars in agreements to WMAA and continues to defualt on business loan obligations.

    Stephen Ray has his share of legal troubles ongoinig and upcoming. I am not to sure what this site is doing or wants to do. I stumbled on this site after watching his master defender clip on u tube .. I then said to my self what a F*** up this guy is and did a search and found this site..

    I doubt many of you guys here have been in the same room with this guy let alone know him. I have had the unfortunate pleasure of being involved in fixing his lies and F*** ups...

    If you guys have some agenda and not just a website talking trash if an ADMIN or MOD would like to PM me I would gladly go into more depth information. Personal information isn't going to be posted by me in an open forum.

    I simply made a post to confirm to this "so called investigation" that this guy is a scam and con artist. I have NO personal issues or axe to grind with him just simply stating facts about him. I have been involved in martial arts for over 30 years and don't like anyone doing to martial arts what he does. There are plenty of great martial artists in many different disciplines we don't need a self promoting scammer like this guy.

    thank you
    Any links of newspaper articles (or scans) or any public record info? I ask because I am sure Sam will get on here and ask the same thing.

    Welcome to Bullshido, with this being in MABS I will be nice and tell you that if you make any claims, and I do mean any, it's need to be backed up with proof.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TKD 1 View Post
    first, I am here to give credibilty to the claims made here of him being self promoted, leading scams, and being a disgrace to the entire martial arts industry.

    reading over this thread quickly, I didn't see anything about his interest in kiddie porn. Evidence of this has been provided to the authorities and is currently being investigated.
    That's a very serious accusation to make of anyone. Unless you offer proof of such, it's just slander and defamation of character.

    Quote Originally Posted by TKD 1 View Post
    There was a number of students that accused him of watching them in the locker rooms and rest rooms but no hard evidence was produced.
    See above.

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    LOL His "church" he opened in india was a place that you payed a fee they put up a sign and take a few pictures. then the next guy in line takes down the sign and puts up his...
    Again, proof?

    Quote Originally Posted by TKD 1 View Post
    If you guys have some agenda and not just a website talking trash if an ADMIN or MOD would like to PM me I would gladly go into more depth information. Personal information isn't going to be posted by me in an open forum.
    Well, somebody's talking trash and you've already shared quite a bit of personal information...you already accused Ray of being a pedophile on a public forum w/o offering evidence.
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    1st. I simply came here on a whim.. and made a simple post much like many already here... just backing up what was already said..

    2nd. PROOF.. well that would lie with his computer hard drive that is in the possesion of the st louis county police.

    3rd. I said many students made allegations WITH NO PROOF...

    I can see this is just a close community here that started talking about a subject with NO MORAL OR LEGAL means to do anything about Stephen Ray.

    4th. Personal information is names phone numbers and home addresses.. not anything to what I have said..

    Good luck to all of you. I reccommend if you continue to prusue martial arts training you stay far fara away from this guy... That was all I was intending to do.

    Have a nice day

    Respectfully......
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    Quote Originally Posted by TKD 1 View Post
    1st. I simply came here on a whim.. and made a simple post much like many already here... just backing up what was already said..

    2nd. PROOF.. well that would lie with his computer hard drive that is in the possesion of the st louis county police.

    3rd. I said many students made allegations WITH NO PROOF...

    I can see this is just a close community here that started talking about a subject with NO MORAL OR LEGAL means to do anything about Stephen Ray.

    4th. Personal information is names phone numbers and home addresses.. not anything to what I have said..

    Good luck to all of you. I reccommend if you continue to prusue martial arts training you stay far fara away from this guy... That was all I was intending to do.

    Have a nice day

    Respectfully......
    I'm not attacking you, just responding to the talking points of your post. That's all. I'm glad you clarified some things. I'm presuming you live in the St. Louis area as well?

    Concerning hard drive confiscation: are you willing to provide an approximate time frame of when this occurred? Guess I need to keep an eye out in the Post Dispatch then...
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    Quote Originally Posted by TKD 1 View Post
    1st. I simply came here on a whim.. and made a simple post much like many already here... just backing up what was already said..

    2nd. PROOF.. well that would lie with his computer hard drive that is in the possesion of the st louis county police.

    3rd. I said many students made allegations WITH NO PROOF...

    I can see this is just a close community here that started talking about a subject with NO MORAL OR LEGAL means to do anything about Stephen Ray.

    4th. Personal information is names phone numbers and home addresses.. not anything to what I have said..

    Good luck to all of you. I reccommend if you continue to prusue martial arts training you stay far fara away from this guy... That was all I was intending to do.

    Have a nice day

    Respectfully......
    see, the problem is, if you (or others) come around and make a claim of fraud or other criminal activity, and don't provide proof, then this community can be held liable for slander. this is not a closed community. in fact, this case was the first real interaction i had with this community.

    if reports were made or investigations opened with st louis county police, do you have any links or records to substantiate that claim?
    also, please go into more detail (with sources if possible) about his indian church ministry.
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    yeah, normally i'd get a quote, but couldn't be bothered.
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    bump

    Hmmmmm....

    haven't heard anthing further from TKD 1.

    Who is TKD 1 and what is his/her/your relation to S.C. Ray beyond their last post? He/she implys a certain level of familiarity.

    If you're not full of ****...then children's lives/menal health are at stake...judging by your previous posts.

    Again, if you're not full of **** and/or just out to slander Ray...it behooves you to observe the "new" rules post and/or PM again.

    If you make serious charges/allegations like youe have...then you need to follow through.
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    Quote Originally Posted by White Kimbo View Post

    if reports were made or investigations opened with st louis county police, do you have any links or records to substantiate that claim?
    also, please go into more detail (with sources if possible) about his indian church ministry.

    I have been trying to get more info about the overseas and local missionary work for a long time and any new info would be appreciated .
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    i've been suspicious of the indian orphanages from the get go. it just seems so random. why india? why orphanages? why no american adoptions?

    seriously, think about this. if he is running an international orphanage system, why aren't there any resource in the us about it. why would you NOT work with international adoption? why haven't there been any large scale fundrasing efforts (i.e. bring a few people from india who are in/work for your system to the us to discuss what's happening in india)?

    there is a huge indian population in st. louis. why haven't they been working with 'master' ray. lots of these indians are off the boat or children of immigrants. they would have a strong interest in this, if it existed.

    i've already notified the FTC about his asking for charitable donations made out to his business, and the fact that he doesn't have a non profit registered with the missouri secretary of state.

    finally, adoption is a legal nightmare in the best of situations. where did he get his training to run an orphanage or conduct adoptions? to bad he will never answer any of these questions.
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    yeah, normally i'd get a quote, but couldn't be bothered.
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    suicide yourself?

    It appears that anyone arguing with you, has already "suicided himslf," already even, since suicidal can mean post, as well as pre, as per any (good dictionary). I am not disagreeing with you as to the reality of that martial art, nor any of the pracitioners of that art. I got on here, this time, as my "BS filter" went off, when I started to read up about "judido jiu-jitsu" and it's lineage. Very much like when I started to read up on Goshin-jitsu. I might actually give this "jukido" and lineage more "salt" than Goshin. As Sensei Rochette (Kyokushin-kai, Ashihara, and Enshin/Sandan), used to say, karate is like cars, some like a sports car, some like an economy car, each person has their own kind of car that you like (he likened kyokushin-kai to a four wheel drive pick-up truck, "if you want to climb the mountain..."

    Personal attacks, don't really prove anything, like Joe Friday says, "Just the facts, MAM!":5umbrella

    So if I can teach BJJ, and not impose my business philosophies and I'm a good instructor, it's ok if I get caught embezzling money from my employer? Assuming I teach good technique. :) Is that what your saying?

    If you really think a fucking faith healer can have integrity, you are an idiot of the highest order. Please suicide yourself immediately.[/quote]
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    So it's been a while....been busy, but if memory serves right and all of his information is correct.....I would say (this question is directed to TKD 1) are you a female by the name of Donna? perhaps, I will leave your last name off of the post for obvious reasons, for now.

    But You should get your dates and times straight because your stated order of occurances dosen't quite add up completely, however most of it isn't complete BS.

    either PM me or something, because we don't like to tolerate crappy claims and such.

    All the best,

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