Investigating Master S.C. Ray of the St. Louis Martial Arts Center

**NoFear900** · Posted On: 4/29/2009 10:09pm

Originally Posted by white_kimbo

yeah, but a kukkiwon search showed he was a second dan.

the question is, who gave him his other ranks for TKD? and how did he get so advanced so quickly?

maybe some sort of divine power was granted towards him?

**omoplatypus** · Posted On: 4/29/2009 10:45pm

Originally Posted by NoFear900

maybe some sort of divine power was granted towards him?

don't give him any ideas, asshole. :)

**NoFear900** · Posted On: 4/30/2009 9:48am

Originally Posted by white_kimbo

don't give him any ideas, asshole. :)

:headbang:
So has there been a decision on a throwdown date?

**omoplatypus** · Posted On: 4/30/2009 11:47am

i'm up to it, but make a thread in the right forum. we don't need the mods trollshidoing us for shitting in an investigation thread.

**TKD 1** · Posted On: 2/25/2010 2:54pm

I have personal knowledge of this ASS CLOWN.. he is a huge fake and phony.. there is nothing good about this man.. he uses gods name to run scams and cons.

He is self promoted and for that matter is an embarrashment to martial arts. He use to brag all the time about NOT paying child support.

Like I said I have PERSONAL knowledge of this ASS . It isn't from going to his school either.. His main TKD teacher was YS RHO in st louis who I have been business partners with for many many years.

DOn't believe or trust anything this guy says He is full of it!

**faybio** · Posted On: 2/25/2010 3:43pm

Originally Posted by TKD 1

I have personal knowledge of this ASS CLOWN...

DOn't believe or trust anything this guy says He is full of it!

Instead of alluding to knowledge, why not post something concrete? All you are doing is making an unsubstantiated claim.

**omoplatypus** · Posted On: 2/25/2010 6:37pm

Originally Posted by TKD 1

I have personal knowledge of this ASS CLOWN.. he is a huge fake and phony.. there is nothing good about this man.. he uses gods name to run scams and cons.

He is self promoted and for that matter is an embarrashment to martial arts. He use to brag all the time about NOT paying child support.

Like I said I have PERSONAL knowledge of this ASS . It isn't from going to his school either.. His main TKD teacher was YS RHO in st louis who I have been business partners with for many many years.

DOn't believe or trust anything this guy says He is full of it!

are you able and/or willing to make claims separate of those already made here? if not, you are committing third degree thread shittery.

**dewey** · Posted On: 2/26/2010 1:05am

Originally Posted by TKD 1

I have personal knowledge of this ASS CLOWN.. he is a huge fake and phony.. there is nothing good about this man.. he uses gods name to run scams and cons.

He is self promoted and for that matter is an embarrashment to martial arts. He use to brag all the time about NOT paying child support.

Like I said I have PERSONAL knowledge of this ASS . It isn't from going to his school either.. His main TKD teacher was YS RHO in st louis who I have been business partners with for many many years.

DOn't believe or trust anything this guy says He is full of it!

Intresting.

I'm a St. Louis native...I presume you hail from here also? Please share what you know...PRESUMING YOU'RE NOT A TROLL. Put up or shut up. White Kimbo knows his sh*t in regards to the Bishop/Master.

I might be a limp-wristed, panty-waisted aikido guy...but I know bullsido when I see it. If you kindly read back a few pages, I have already made my sentiments well known in regards to holy-roller mcdojo types like S.C. Ray.

Christian fundamentalism and budo don't mix. This self-empowerment BS is BS.

**dewey** · Posted On: 2/26/2010 9:28am

What's more, as a result of this thread, the good bishop has exempted himself from any objective inquiry into his operation by declaring that he runs a martial arts ministry:

ST. LOUIS MARTIAL ARTS CENTER IS A MINISTRY, NOT A GYM. WE ARE VERY UNIQUE IN WHAT WE DO AND DO NOT IDENTIFY OURSELVES WITH THE AVERAGE MARTIAL ARTS SCHOOL. WE ARE A CHRISTIAN MARTIAL ARTS MINISTRY. MOST PEOPLE DO NOT UNDERSTAND OR EVEN HAVE HEARD OF A CHRISTIAN MARTIAL ARTS MINISTRY. OUR MINISTRY CAN NOT BE COMPARED TO THE AVERAGE MARTIAL ARTS SCHOOL BECAUSE WE ARE TOTALLY DIFFERENT IN HOW WE OPERATE AND WHAT WE TEACH. OUR PHILOSOPHY AND TEACHINGS COME FROM A BIBLICAL PERSPECTIVE. THE EASIEST WAY TO UNDERSTAND WHAT WE ARE IS TO THINK OF A BUDDHIST TEMPLE BUT INSTEAD OF TEACHING BUDDHISM WE TEACH CHRISTIANITY. WE ARE A CHURCH THAT BELIEVES IN GROWING SPIRITUALLY, MENTALLY AND PHYSICALLY TO BECOME A WELL BALANCED WARRIOR FOR CHRIST.

End quote. In other words, any reasonable inquiry into Bishop Ray's credentials, the effectiveness of techniques for self-defense purposes, or training methodology employed, or whatever are not only irrelevant...they're irreverent.

**TKD 1** · Posted On: 2/26/2010 11:50am

Originally Posted by White Kimbo

are you able and/or willing to make claims separate of those already made here? if not, you are committing third degree thread shittery.

first, I am here to give credibilty to the claims made here of him being self promoted, leading scams, and being a disgrace to the entire martial arts industry.

reading over this thread quickly, I didn't see anything about his interest in kiddie porn. Evidence of this has been provided to the authorities and is currently being investigated.

Stephen Ray, started his martial arts training with YS Rho in the florisant area then moved with him to the ballwin area. He was pretty much YS Rho's whipping boy. He then worked for Young Chul Rho in the south county area. His lieing and lack of knowledge keep him in hot water with the directors of World Martial Arts Academy... In march of 2000 due to circumstances involving one of the founders of WMAA having to leave the area due to family sickness, Steven Ray was given an oppurtunity to run purchase one of the schools. He was provided with Instructors becasuse he wasn't qualified to teach / instruct. In a matter of months his lieing and self promoting got him kicked out and the business taking back from him.

There was a number of students that accused him of watching them in the locker rooms and rest rooms but no hard evidence was produced. As far as WMAA was concerned he was told to leave and never again mention being associated with them. HENCE him now saying he has different instruction. He quickly opened another school in the olivette area which failed fast .. then he moved back to the florrisant area where he currently scams people. He is now a self healer and a bishop.. LOL His "church" he opened in india was a place that you payed a fee they put up a sign and take a few pictures. then the next guy in line takes down the sign and puts up his...

He has defaulted on 100s of thousands of dollars in agreements to WMAA and continues to defualt on business loan obligations.

Stephen Ray has his share of legal troubles ongoinig and upcoming. I am not to sure what this site is doing or wants to do. I stumbled on this site after watching his master defender clip on u tube .. I then said to my self what a F*** up this guy is and did a search and found this site..

I doubt many of you guys here have been in the same room with this guy let alone know him. I have had the unfortunate pleasure of being involved in fixing his lies and F*** ups...

If you guys have some agenda and not just a website talking trash if an ADMIN or MOD would like to PM me I would gladly go into more depth information. Personal information isn't going to be posted by me in an open forum.

I simply made a post to confirm to this "so called investigation" that this guy is a scam and con artist. I have NO personal issues or axe to grind with him just simply stating facts about him. I have been involved in martial arts for over 30 years and don't like anyone doing to martial arts what he does. There are plenty of great martial artists in many different disciplines we don't need a self promoting scammer like this guy.

thank you