4/20/2007 9:32am, #21Originally Posted by Don Gwinn
4/20/2007 9:44am, #22
Grandmaster Y.S. Choi of Denver, Colorado actually gave me a call, turns out Master Ray forwarded me after all.
After having talked to Mr. Choi, I gathered some base facts:
- Master S.C. Ray is indeed certified in "Sun Do Sul" through Grandmaster Y.S. Choi.
- Sun Do Sul is a style created by Grandmaster Choi. He crafted it from your standard hodgepodge of korean martial arts. He says he finalized the standards for this style in 1988.
- Grandmaster Choi says he is a TKD champion ("Gold Medalist" in his own words) and even trains several UFC fighters.
4/20/2007 11:33am, #23Originally Posted by airman kai
Or, were they kids, trained a few years, and moved on and he is now claiming "UFC" coaching status?
4/20/2007 12:54pm, #24
Kai, you're right, of course. Just wondering if Mr. Ray plans to be at the Throwdown. I liked the Judo club a lot.
So Mr. Choi is a gold medalist . . . . did he say in what event? Is that Olympic gold, or some kind of World Games thing, or what? Hmmm.
If he can claim to be training UFC fighters in a direct phone conversation and yet refuse to name the fighters, his credibility goes away.
4/20/2007 1:18pm, #25
- Join Date
- Apr 2007
- Belleville, IL
Hi Guys. This is the one and only, Timothy R. Hellerich. I would NEVER leave a message like that! ...........
I don't even know a "Brad" that's a martial artist.
I don't know who is doing this kind of BS, but I litterally have to deal with this stuff on a daily basis. The only thing I can do is apologize to everyone else who has to deal with sort of Identity Fraud too.
Thank You Airman Kai for bringing this to my attention.
GREAT site, you guys! Keep up the good work. Peace, Timbo.
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4/20/2007 1:26pm, #26
impersonating someone else via email to try to stir up drama and to try to instigate a fight is some seriously low, cowardly ****.
tim, you should investigate this as best you can and do whatever you need to to bring this asshole down.
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4/20/2007 1:39pm, #27Originally Posted by TRHellerich
I sat on this one since February because
- it smelled like a troll job
- Kai was not available
- Don doesn't really care what people think
- it smelled like a troll job
- your website was very straight forward about you and your art and contact info was available readily
I looked at those factors and figured I would mention this all when Kai got cleared to train again so I wouldn't have to try and figure all this out from a state away .
If this type of behavior is common can you give us any more info or details on how these unknowns ( thegrappler .... aka Brad Stine <firstname.lastname@example.org and others )are causing trouble .
Screen names and E-mail addresses aren't hard to track down ... finding out who own them can be tricky . So any info you care to provide will help .
4/20/2007 1:42pm, #28Originally Posted by TRHellerich
4/20/2007 2:56pm, #29
I think you can make a post in the Support Forum regarding who to message/email for the instructor credentials.
Otherwise it looks like TRHellerich's host is in O'Fallon which is right near Belleville.
4/20/2007 3:29pm, #30
I went ahead and set up an interview with the head instructor of the Choson Martial Arts Academy, Tim Hellerich. As was previously aluded to, Mr. Hellerich has a good deal of experience with Master S.C. Ray, and I hope to get a few things on record (video).
Also, I'll be opening up lines with Ol' Ray through email and phone, where I can perhaps get our first few written contradictions.
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