Investigating Master S.C. Ray of the St. Louis Martial Arts Center

**Lars** · Posted On: 4/19/2007 4:08pm

I found this entertaining Sun Do Sul site (it proclaims the authenticity of the Karate Kid movies and David Karidean [sic]), and have seen a few mentions of Sun Do Sul alongside Kuk Sul Won. A little googling reveals the possible contact info for the World Sun Do Sul academy in Colorado. Maybe they can explain what it is, and vouch for this guy.

**Luosnomed** · Posted On: 4/19/2007 4:34pm

we just ignore him at my school. He is in a LONG list of fucktards that "teach" in the STL, but when ya step in there face or in there school doors. They nut up

If you guys want ill stop in both schools and get some info from them on Saturday.

from what i remember ray is from the world tae kwon do schools from around here, which is another school full of ****. and cholsom, him and his cronies are a joke too.
but i know you guys hate news without the proof. so since i live in stl. ill do some leg work

but ive seen both schools in "action" and dam near laughed so hard i almost passed out
Red

**BackFistMonkey** · Posted On: 4/19/2007 6:43pm

Originally Posted by cyrijl

If he sent the email you should be able to look at the headers which are generated. These are not likely to be spoofed the way the 'from' address can be,

Here is the email I recieved complete with all available info

Fwd: Idiot Fighter! Inbox

from Brad Stine <brd_stine@yahoo.com> hide details Feb 26
to backfistmonkeyattehgmail.com
date Feb 26, 2007 10:08 PM
subject Fwd: Idiot Fighter!
signed-by yahoo.com
mailed-by yahoo.com

Tim Hellerich <info@chosonmaa.com > wrote:

Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 15:31:54 -0800 (PST)
From: Tim Hellerich <info@chosonmaa.com >
Subject: Idiot Fighter!
To: brd_stine@yahoo.com

Hey Brad,

I was just looking online with my friend and saw a fight with these two idiots (Don & Airman Kai). What a joke. They need to fight against a TKD fighter. They wouldn't have a chance. They were slow and weak. Take a look at www.bullshido.com
I would like to see him at MY SCHOOL!

Instructor Tim
Choson Martial Arts
www.chosonmaa.com

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**Don Gwinn** · Posted On: 4/19/2007 8:59pm

From the Sun Do Sul website:

Age is not a factor:
The eldest student taught has been 58 years old. Who achieved the ranking of Purple Belt.
The youngest student was 3 years old, Marshall Moore. He was the youngest student to receive a black belt at the age of eight. Over the years the highest ranking black belt achieved within our classroom has been a 4th Degree Black Belt.

**BackFistMonkey** · Posted On: 4/20/2007 2:55am

and here is the account of the person @ Bullshido who sent the e-mail to my gmail account
http://www.bullshido.net/z/thegrappler/profile/

Thegrappler ... so ummm ... where are you and why won't you come explain this in more detail ? Tim seems completely oblivious to this email you forwarded to me .

**Red Sauce** · Posted On: 4/20/2007 4:03am

Greedy fucks like this make me sick, I hope you guys get some real closure on this one.

**Locu5** · Posted On: 4/20/2007 6:48am

The only fair answer is an objective video review of both schools.

EDIT: A link concerning thegrappler's views on St Louis Martial Arts Center:
http://local.yahoo.com/userreviews?t...ywpAMok8ayZQ--

**cyrijl** · Posted On: 4/20/2007 7:43am

OH MY F-ing GOD (sorry i actually had to spell it out)

On yahoo RE: this school

July 04, 2006 Lethal Fun and The Best.
By karenmar.jackson@sbcglobal.net - See karenmar.jackson@sbcglobal.net's reviews
I took this class for 2 years and I master 3 Martial Arts, Taekwondo, Judo, And Kickboxing.

http://local.yahoo.com/details?id=29...e=MO&stx=&csz=

**Don Gwinn** · Posted On: 4/20/2007 8:01am

LINK, please.

thegrappler . . . . . a "godly" martial arts school? Sheesh. Anyway, is the STL Martial Arts Center going to be hosting the STL Throwdown or what? Plans need to be made.