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    4/18/2007 12:22pm


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    Hell yeah! Hell no!

    The illustrated article scavenger hunt.

    While the main article has degenerated into a shredder pro/con argument, there is still much good in the idea.

    If we can find some manner of photo or video for most of these point we would have a good article.

    Quote Originally Posted by KempoFist
    WendyVW's idiocy has inspired me.

    Typical ill-informed misconceptions and baseless ignorant assumptions by idiots and fearful dead/fantasy training LARPers. Add any that I miss.

    - "MMA people only care about winning and being the best."
    Quite the contrary. Due to the competitiveness of not only MMA competition, but MMA style training, it becomes quickly apparent that there is no such thing as being unarguably "the best" but rather the "best you can be"

    - "MMA people rely on brute strength and muscle to win fights, rather than technique and skill"
    Furthest from the truth. One of the basic components to winning MMA bouts is a solid ground game which includes heavy grappling skill, one of the most difficult skill sets to gain proficiency in. If you look back to early MMA where it was still "style vs style" the only ones who tried to use brute strength were those claiming a background in a striking art, where the grapplers were smaller and relied soley on superior technical proficiency, even if it was sloppy by todays MMA standards. Today, being well rounded with accurate and well timed striking abilities, and flawless and economical movements on the ground are necessary to succeed in MMA. Musclebound bar brawlers don't stand much of a chance against todays fighting athletes.

    - "MMA people are musclebound meat heads who spend their whole day at the gym, bragging about how much they can benchpress"
    No, although benchpressing and other weight resistant workouts can be a great part of an athletes training regimen, trying to bench a ridiculous amount of weight, or put on heavy body mass is seldom a desired goal. Bulking up is not necessarily a benefit in fighting beyond mere intimidation, thus developing explosive lean body muscle is a more sought after goal. Look at the current roster of MMA fighters; how many of them fit this description of Pro Wrestling looking mound of muscle?

    - "MMA fighters are rude"
    Some are, some aren't. That's people. You shouldn't base your expectations on the character of a person based on how they train in martial arts.

    - "MMA lacks tradition"
    This coming from most likely someone who trains in an art created in the last 50 or so years and passed on to some talentless hacks in the US is quite laughable. If anything MMA is the only form of martial arts that has stuck to its tradition....the tradition of having fighters of various backgrounds come and test themselves against each other in as free an environment as legally sound. One that has lasted since the time of the ancient Greeks, if not before then (at least 2655 years ago)

    - "MMA lacks culture and morality"
    Speaking with Japanese terms, and putting Kanji writing that you can't read on your belt or gi does not = "culture." You shouldn't need to try and find another countries culture at your local strip mall. If that's what you want, then you have more problems then I can answer. As far as morality is concerned, I don't need the person who is teaching me fighting skills to tell me when and where I can or should use it. Why should this responsibility be bestowed upon martial arts instructors? Why not say, oh....Teachers, Police, Law makers or how about ones PARENTS? *gasps*

    - "MMA fighters only train to learn how to fight and beat people up"
    oh....um....well actually I guess that one's pretty much right. Got me there!

    - MMA is more dangerous than boxing
    (this one was added by thejutsu)

    It's either that or something along the lines of MMA is "human cockfighting" , competitors die all the time, it's a bloodsport, etc. Bill O Reilly summed it all up well when he scoffed at Dana White during an interview when White said MMA had elbows, knees, and submissions but was actually safer than boxing (check it out on youtube). Besides the fact that O Reilly is a retard, I think most uninformed people would agree with him. However, what many people fail to grasp is that there are crucial rule differences between boxing and MMA that make MMA considerably safer than boxing.

    1) There is no standing 8/10 count (at least not in the UFC n Pride, but I believe Shooto has one?) so extensive damage to the head is far less; if you're down n out you're not getting back up for more.

    2) The grappling element; clinches are not broken, you can stall on the ground, end the fight w/ a submission instead of going for a KO, this results in less damage to the head.

    3) Referee stoppages occur much more often and quickly in MMA when compared to boxing. Again this all equals to less damage to the head and much shorter fights.

    4) 12 Rounds max vs 5 rounds max, you do the math. I know its not always 12 rounds, but just the fact that it exists :)

    As for the bloodsport thing, MMA has developed into a legitamite sport w/ rules and a whole list of fouls. Groin punching, hair pulling, nipple twisting, whatever, all that is history, MMA is sanctioned in most states (I know mine does, ATL baby) and the 90s stereotype of a bloodsoaked cage no longer exists.

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    "MMA people are musclebound meat heads who spend their whole day at the gym, bragging about how much they can benchpress"
    No, although benchpressing and other weight resistant workouts can be a great part of an athletes training regimen, trying to bench a ridiculous amount of weight, or put on heavy body mass is seldom a desired goal. Bulking up is not necessarily a benefit in fighting beyond mere intimidation, thus developing explosive lean body muscle is a more sought after goal. Look at the current roster of MMA fighters; how many of them fit this description of Pro Wrestling looking mound of muscle?

    Kenny Florian (UFC Lightweight)


    Matt Highes (UFC Welterweight)


    Chuck Liddell (UFC Light Heavywight)


    Fedor Emelianenko (Pride Heavyweight unstoppable champion of doom)



    the Physiques are mind boggling! How did they get so huge! These guys must be so jealous....
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