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  1. Freddy is offline

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    Please keep in mind I'm trying to be polite about this and not trying to get on your back or anything. Some clarification would be splended.
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    Osiris,
    The way I intrepreted that was to not fight force on force directly, but try to counter with another technique. That is what made me think of the sprawl.
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    I dont know about that one??? (Maybe I missed your point.)
    Apparently...

    But if someone were to lets say started to choke you to death wouldnt resistance be the wise thing to do??? Just like if two guys jump you wouldnt resistance be the thing to do??
    You seem to be arguing semantics. Obviously, the term "resistance" has many interpretations. If you are inquiring whether the act of nonresistance means submitting willingly to an assault and attempt on your life, absolutely not, you have completely missed my point. No, resistance from a Physics standpoint would be grabbing the attackers wrists (if this is a choke from the front) and attempting to pry the attackers hands wrapped around your throat. This physiological resistance in structural dynamics of the victim being choked was to which I was referring. Relaxation and simple rotation with the shoulder groups will easily negate this hold. I hope this clears up your confusion.

    Isnt most wrestlers 'stand up' fighters to begin with?
    Most people with a modicum of common sense, understands what I am talking about. There's really no need for me to explain the obvious.

    I think your persuming that a stand up fighter doesnt know grappling or isnt into mixed martial arts already?
    I was speaking in general terms, but obviously, a individual that dedicates himself to grappling, such as a Brazilian jujitsu stylist, is going to be better versed "on the ground" than any JKD, krav maga, or jack-of-all-trades martial artist.

    You need to define what a grappler is.
    Really? Do I now.

    Would this mean wing chun pratitioners are considered graplers? Because they do do alot of grappling like moves. How about Japanese jujitsu, or hapkido or other arts?????
    Such as aikido, small circle juijitsu, and chin-na movements with Chinese systems? I believe the figurative wording there is "grappling like moves." It should come as no surprise that the most respected out of all the "grappling arts" is Brazilian juijitsu. Their principles are practically 180-degrees out of phase with these other grappling arts, as Rickson Gracie once stated, "For us, the fight doesn't really begin until after the fight is taken to the ground."

    From what I have seen most grapplers dont prefer to go on the ground (with the exceptions of a few arts like Greco Roman etc). Its mainly BJJ guys and Judo guys that are willing to take the fight to the ground.
    Precisely who I was referring to in my commentary. However, grappling even with it's many applications; shoots, locks, submission holds, etc., can be defeated utilizing the same principles I talked about. This is the advantage of universally applied principles and mechanics over a system reliant upon techniques based on experience alone.
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    Excellent posts Kungfoolss.

    You know? For what it's worth to you, you can be quite an insightful guy when you aren't busy bashing stylists and the like.
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    Osiris,
    The way I intrepreted that was to not fight force on force directly, but try to counter with another technique. That is what made me think of the sprawl.
    A sprawl creates resistance, basically, the intent of the sprawl is to resist being dragged or taken to the ground. While the sprawl is a movement intended to counter a shoot, it has flaws. One way we look at things in our system is a methodology or principle of movement is valid if it can be applied to a multifight. A sprawl fails because it does not eliminate the attacker and ties you up.

    One, while it does prevent the grappler from securing a hold on your legs, it does not finish the attacker off. A "modified" version of the sprawl, which we use in our system (if we were so inclined) is to capture the CNS just as is done in the sprawl, but with a twist, we don't create resistance attempting to stay on our feet, but as we capture the head, we simultaneously throw our feet up and behind us into the air, centering our mass on the back of their CNS and driving their face into the pavement.

    However, if you do this, you must be aware of the placement of your forearm, if they are placed underneath the grapplers throat as you land, you could crush his windpipe upon impact with the ground killing him within seconds or minutes. Of course, there is a further danger from damage to his spinal cord, specifically the damage to the vertebrates in the neck. This is one of the reasons I willing choose not to do resort to this sort movement unless I intend to seriously harm or even kill another man. There are safer ways to control a man.

    And in the event you are wondering, this movement is applicable to a multifight situation. As soon as you land you either fight from your knees or get up and deal with any approaching attack accordingly. You've hurt the grappler severely, you may have even killed him, either way he's out of the picture and you assess your next threat, it's really that simple. You may get knocked down in a fight, things happen, but you most certainly do not have to waste time and effort grappling on the ground when there are multiple opponents involved. That's just asking to die.
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    wow so many words for the simple concept to ju/yoshin. but obviously it didnt exist before ignorant yank rednecks made a video on it.

    so does that mean all your 'non striking' shares the same concepts as akido does?? wow since your not doing the natural (your words not mine) thing your style of movment is just that a style which makes you a stylist! Tell me do you relax or resist when you americana yourself after every meal??
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    Wow, a grappler will eat you alive. If you play that little wrist game, Im going to A. Throw you as that was my intention in the first place or B. Break your wirst using a hapkido lock. uou must enjoy firemans, armdrags and wristlocks.
    I have simply no idea what you're talking about.

    If I shoot and you dont restist, then Im lifting you over my shoulders and busting your head over the concrete.
    A foolish assumption, you assume nonresistance means submitting to the assault and doing nothing. In actuality, I will compress you in tighter, relaxing, rotating in a downward spiral (vector displacement) and securing a hold of your Central Nervous System.

    You think wrestlers never play with the wrists or shoot on unresisting opponents? You probaby think theres only one shot too.
    Osiris, you've got to lay off the malt liquor if you're going to post here.
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    KungFoolss,

    you are not reaching them.

    you guys dont understand what he is saying. if you try to assume some counterposture or use a specific movement you will take "shape". this 'shape' basically gives your opponent something to orient upon and thereby gain some base of leverage.

    otoh, continually 'shapechanging' or lack of a
    STRUCTURE will keep the momentum moving and give him no purchase. as well your actions must be blending and contributing to his motion. this will combine momentums with potentially devastating impact.
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    wow so many words for the simple concept to ju/yoshin. but obviously it didnt exist before ignorant yank rednecks made a video on it.
    (Laughs) Orokana. While certain movements and principles share commonalties across the spectrum of the arts and various fighting systems, that's pretty much where the similarities end.

    My question to you is, "Does ju/yoshin cover fire disarmament mechanics and principles?" I doubt it. I rest my case. (Smirks)

    PS. So-called "gun take-aways and techniques" are not what I'm talking about.

    By the way, I love the TMA’s that are Japanese based. Jaa na. <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle> ->

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    Edited by - kungfoolss on August 24 2003 20:27:00
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    KungFoolss,

    you are not reaching them.
    As long as one person comprehends the material, that's all that matters.

    you guys dont understand what he is saying. if you try to assume some counterposture or use a specific movement you will take "shape". this 'shape' basically gives your opponent something to orient upon and thereby gain some base of leverage.

    otoh, continually 'shapechanging' or lack of a
    STRUCTURE will keep the momentum moving and give him no purchase. as well your actions must be blending and contributing to his motion. this will combine momentums with potentially devastating impact.
    That's not a bad explanation, pretty good in fact.


    Edited by - kungfoolss on August 24 2003 20:32:13
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