I want to get a gun, advice?

**oldman34** · Posted On: 4/16/2007 5:49am

Originally Posted by Roaming East

Are you saying the springfield xd ISNT DAO?

No it isnt. To rookie eyes it would appear to be a DAO like the Glock. Many people cant see the hammer , so they assume that it is a DAO pistol.

However, in an attempt to have a crisper/shorter trigger pull, Springfield made it operate in SA. However, many Law Enforcement Depts. are scared by the traditional open hammer SA pistol design.

Therefore, Springfield gave it the look of a DAO but made it a SA pistol (thus giving it the trigger pull characteristics of a cocked and locked 1911, but with the added safety of a DAO style pistol)

You should really research the terms DA, SA, DA/SA, and DAO before handing out any more gun advice.

Originally Posted by Roaming East

In otherwords, you use it in the precisely the same manner that every other DAO pistol known to man has ever operated (cock and pop)

Not true. Pulling the trigger only disengages the firing pin safety block. The weapon is already "cocked" by racking the slide. Thats how the weapon situation button works. [the button that is in the back of the weapon/gun that indicates if it is "hot" or not]

If your buddy wants to develop good shooting habits, then buying a CC type weapon is counterproductive.
They have more recoil than a standard length weapon [regardless of caliber], and many have a shortened grip.

**teddy_bear** · Posted On: 4/16/2007 6:40am

Springfield just imports the XD, it's been around for quite a while as the HS2000... and Glocks aren't DAO, they use Glock's Safe action...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Springf...ory_XD#History
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trigger...rms%29#Pre-set

**robin2chris** · Posted On: 4/16/2007 7:07am

the springfield xd is NOT a single action. the definition of a single action is a pistol or revolver that has a trigger which performs a sole function (dropping the hammer).

the springfield xd has what the company refers to as a ultra safety assurance (usa) type of action. for intent and purpose the xd works very much like a glock.

when a round is chambered the striker is partially cocked by the slide movement. the xd trigger finishes cocking the striker then releases it.

the springfield xd is not dao because the trigger does not completley cock the striker. a true dao both fully cocks the hammer or striker then releases it with a trigger pull. thats why dao pistols and revolvers have such heavy triggers.

**teddy_bear** · Posted On: 4/16/2007 2:08pm

Originally Posted by robin2chris

the springfield xd is NOT a single action. the definition of a single action is a pistol or revolver that has a trigger which performs a sole function (dropping the hammer).

Which is exactly what the XD's trigger does.

the springfield xd has what the company refers to as a ultra safety assurance (usa) type of action. for intent and purpose the xd works very much like a glock.

Ultra Safety Assurance is in reference to the trigger safety, not the trigger action.

when a round is chambered the striker is partially cocked by the slide movement. the xd trigger finishes cocking the striker then releases it.

You just described (in a nutshell) how Glocks work. Not XDs. XDs are fully cocked when the slide is racked.

the springfield xd is not dao because the trigger does not completley cock the striker. a true dao both fully cocks the hammer or striker then releases it with a trigger pull. thats why dao pistols and revolvers have such heavy triggers.

The trigger doesn't cock anything, at all.

Here are references that clearly state that the XD is single action:

http://world.guns.ru/handguns/hg48-e.htm
http://www.gunsandammomag.com/techside/xd_010305/

**oldman34** · Posted On: 4/16/2007 3:39pm

Originally Posted by robin2chris

the springfield xd is NOT a single action. the definition of a single action is a pistol or revolver that has a trigger which performs a sole function (dropping the hammer).

Correct. The trigger for the XD fires the gun, the safeties do the rest. When the gun is cocked then it is in SA mode, much like a 1911.

Originally Posted by robin2chris

the springfield xd is not dao because the trigger does not completley cock the striker. a true dao both fully cocks the hammer or striker then releases it with a trigger pull. thats why dao pistols and revolvers have such heavy triggers.

Really? Im glad to posted that bit of wisdom, because nobody else here has said that.

**Roaming East** · Posted On: 4/16/2007 10:39pm

I stand corrected. Had a XD owner i work with just illustrate the differences to me.

**TEA** · Posted On: 4/17/2007 8:31am

So, in other words, if you want a striker fired plastic gun instead of a steel and wood 1911 with its external hammer - the XD is the way to go?

**pauli** · Posted On: 4/17/2007 10:33am

absolutely.

and if they made an xd with a steel frame and a one piece trigger, i'd buy one.

**teddy_bear** · Posted On: 4/17/2007 10:39am

Originally Posted by pauli

absolutely.

and if they made an xd with a steel frame and a one piece trigger, i'd buy one.

The polymer frame is steel reinforced, does that count? :P Have a look at the new M&P from S&W. It's a polymer-framed gun like the XD, but it's DAO and has a 'one piece trigger'. Supposedly sports a light, crisp pull compared to other DAOs.

**Matt W.** · Posted On: 4/17/2007 10:40am

You being a LEO, I take that as a compliment. Thank You.

You should take that as a compliment because I said it! ;) But, let me tell ya, there are many people in LE/Corrections who do their once a year requal and other than that never touch their gun. I've heard horror stories about LEO's who have practically let their gun rot away due to lack of ever cleaning it. Sad but true. So while there are many good LEOs who know what they are talking about, LEO =/= expert.