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  1. Roaming East is offline

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    Quote Originally Posted by SFGOON
    As far as the OP is concerned, this is untrue. A .22 will not penetrate the skull (at least for practical purposes,) so head shots are out. It is not a high speed frangible round, so both hemorrhaging and hydrostatic shock are out. Nor does it carry sufficent foot-pounds to know over, say, a gopher, so stopping power is out.

    Bear in mind the following was told to me by a drunk buddy who, while not a habitual liar, may have been fucking with me in the particular instance;

    I heard a horrible story concerning the GWOT where a guy was dispatched to kill a terrorist halawada (google it) in an allied country. As he wanted to frame Shin Bet, he chose a ruger .22 pistol modified to be fully automatic. (Shin bet likes to empty an entire clip of .22 into a guys neck then run off on a motorcycle.)

    Without going into too much detail, he wound up chasing the man down the street at 3am with 20 rounds of .22 jostling around his windpipe, and had to bash his head in when he collapsed after a few blocks. So even in the right hands, a .22 is not well suited to a controlled, well planned assassination, much less spontanious, confusing and terrifying self defense.

    Start out with a .357 or a .40 - you only really need one firearm unless you're compensating or a hunter. With the money you save, buy your wife a present.

    edit: the .38 is a f4g0t round that doesn't kill. Look into the US invasion of the Philippines.
    A guy who doesnt know the difference between a .38 colt and a .38 special isnt really qualified to give ANYONE gun advice much less a newbie. Im not even going to get into the fact that 'hydrostatic shock' is a long time disproved myth
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    Quote Originally Posted by Roaming East
    A guy who doesnt know the difference between a .38 colt and a .38 special isnt really qualified to give ANYONE gun advice much less a newbie.

    My thoughts EXACTLY.

    I have carried a snub nose S&W .38 Special for years. I carry it because I once asked the owner of Guns & Ammo, the largest Gun retailer in the area what he thought about the .38 Sp.

    He reached behind his back and pulled out a stainless snubbie .38 Special. He said that he felt comfortable with the .38 Sp.

    He has acces to ANY gun he wanted to carry, plus 30 years of gun XP, and he chose this particular weapon.
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    Shin Bet only operates in Israel and its territories, problem one with this story.
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    Oldman,

    Nobody has the venue to shoot one-handed either.

    People are generally capped by a crisp weaver, in ideal lighting, in full anticipation of the **** hitting the fan blades, with nothing else (like a radio) in the other hand. :eng101:
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    Hydrostatic shock has never, to my knowledge, been debunked. It would not be expected of just about any fighting handgun round, but it is (again, to the best of my knowledge) well documented as an effect of many centerfire rifle rounds.

    Hydrostatic shock simply refers to the phenomena of bodily fluids, which are mostly water and therefore do not compress, being disturbed and distorted in a sort of "wave" pattern emanating from the wound channel. It is an effect caused by the "energy dump" that results when a very fast projectile passes through the torso. It requires very high speeds, so common handgun rounds are out.

    There are MANY myths out there about the mysterious hydrostatic shock. I know a guy who was once told that .45 acp could kill him if it strikes his body armor because of "hydrostatic shock."
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    On .38 Special:

    1. There's nothing wrong with .38 spl that expanding bullets and maybe +P loadings can't fix, and we have those now.

    2. They didn't have expanding bullets nor anything that could match .38 spl +P in the Philippines.

    3. I LOVE the .45, but the mythos is hard to swallow sometimes. Military commissions dump weapons and spec new stuff all the time. Sometimes they do it for the best and most sober of reasons, and sometimes they demand that the new weapon do the impossible in order to solve a problem that doesn't really exist.

    4. As mentioned above, .38 spl is not the .38 that was carried in the Philippine Insurrection.

    5. Remember always that the mighty .357 Magnum started life as a very heavy .38 spl loading.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kein Haar
    Oldman,

    Nobody has the venue to shoot one-handed either.

    People are generally capped by a crisp weaver, in ideal lighting, in full anticipation of the **** hitting the fan blades, with nothing else (like a radio) in the other hand. :eng101:
    English Please.

    I am not quite folowing you here.
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    So my S&W .38 special is not that ghay? Cool!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Don Gwinn
    Hydrostatic shock has never, to my knowledge, been debunked. It would not be expected of just about any fighting handgun round, but it is (again, to the best of my knowledge) well documented as an effect of many centerfire rifle rounds.

    Hydrostatic shock simply refers to the phenomena of bodily fluids, which are mostly water and therefore do not compress, being disturbed and distorted in a sort of "wave" pattern emanating from the wound channel. It is an effect caused by the "energy dump" that results when a very fast projectile passes through the torso. It requires very high speeds, so common handgun rounds are out.

    There are MANY myths out there about the mysterious hydrostatic shock. I know a guy who was once told that .45 acp could kill him if it strikes his body armor because of "hydrostatic shock."
    "The reason is that most tissue in the human target is elastic in nature. Muscle, blood vessels, lung, bowels, all are capable of substantial stretching with minimal damage. Studies have shown that the outward velocity of the tissues in which the temporary cavity forms is no more than one tenth of the velocity of the projectile. This is well within the elasticity limits of tissue such as muscle, blood vessels, and lungs, Only inelastic tissue like liver, or the extremely fragile tissues of the brain, would show significant damage due to temporary cavitation." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrostatic_shock http://www.firearmstactical.com/hwfe.htm
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