Obi, you missed the part where they break people's hands by headbutting them.
Speaking of omega.....
Samurai Steve sent me a PM asked me to chime in. I've ignored this thread up til now because I have a few cajun karate guys near me and they seem like decent folk. Of course this was before I read the initial post on this thread.
SS asked me to comment on the following techniques:
In theory this would work. The funny thing is I've seen this practiced by many a karateka. Unusual that a person that has never studied Japanese Karate would come up with the exact same defense as a traditionaly shotkan and goju ryu group of instructors, considering this is supposed to be for Americans created by an American. Irony, comes in many forms.
as for this technique:
It's crap. I guarantee you that this sort of **** should never be taught to beginners let alone advanced people.
Any other thing I missed int the previous 69 pages? I only read the first page.
If this were an American style of martial arts, there would be no gi's or belts or any japanese terms. Also it would probally be composed of western arts. Wrestling, boxing, and catch maybe some stuff from Indian tribes. There weapons would focus on the gun, knife, and stick, maybe some stuff with a bat or chain.
I read this, saw the site and call complete BS. Even if they could fight, the marketing is utter BS. Its like having a TKD school, claiming pure TKD but teaching people BJJ, Boxing and Wrestling along with the TKD.
This is how I know the Keichu guys. They are generally nice well thought out people. They may be disillusioned, I don't know but in general they practice a solid art, they don't advocat fighting per se, but they are generally hard working, up front with what they do. I like these guys, which is why I've stayed off this thread. I don't know if their origins are bullshit, which imo I think they are but I like what they've done, I wish more karate schools were like them.
Originally Posted by kojin
I dont think theyre assholes either. I dont even hate WC people that much. Its not their fault that they get caught in this type of stuff.
I agree with Omega though, I know alot of people who study BS through my various jobs Ive had. I dont lash out at them and call them morons. I just point out what I do and why its much different from their style. I just point it out and they either agree or disagree. Thats where I end it mostly, unless they start being asses.
The thing I hate most to is stuff like this though, where it could be legitimate to use to fight, but its marketing is such crap.
Formerly trained in Keichu Do
Well, I'm brand new to this forum, so well see how this goes.
First of all, I found this thread and began reading, but 70 pages is a bit much so I skipped to the end to post this; if I include in this posting things already mentioned, give me a break...okay? Thanx.
I trained in Keichu Do Karate while stationed in Hawaii. My training was for about a year before getting deployed to Afghanistan. After that I got out of the Army and left Hawaii, so no more Keichu. I now train in Krav Maga here in Texas.
Let me say that I LOVED Keichu Do. Is it a pseudo-Japanese knock-off? Yep, sure is. Did I like that stuff? Nope. Hated the katas and traditional karate junk. That stuff is incorporated into the style so they can compete in the USKA and wherever else they compete. I never did 'cause I didn't care for it. However, the style has developed during its time and -- at least at the dojo on Oahu -- taught us some pretty good self defense. It has borrowed heavily from Judo (Marx attained a black belt in Judo AFTER his karate style was already well-established), bjj, boxing, and some nasty street fighting (eye gouges, crushing the throat, clapping the ears, etc). I actually see similarities between Keichu's street fighting techniques and Krav Maga...really nasty stuff (and yep, it DOES tout itself as a Christian MA -- don't ask me to qualify that, okay?) All I know is that I found it to be solid self-defense style. How would it hold up against other styles? Well, it ain't MMA so I don't know. It incorporates the defend/attack/get the hell outta there concept. (Nope, they don't say "get the hell outta there"....they are Christian, remember?)
So, the bashing of the system is understandable. C'mon, we bash every system, right? But, from my experience it holds its own. Don't agree? Okay, no harm, no foul. Am I gonna be a Keichu advocate? Nope, I'll leave that to KeichuVanguard. Would I practice it again? Only if there was no Krav Maga around. But, that's my preference.
BTW, Karl Marx received his PhD in Philosophy from the International University of Missouri. Here's a Wikipedia listing for Keichu and its founder.
It's an iffy school, at best. Accredited through the UK, so don't try to transfer those credits!
Thanks to all. Hope this helps clarify things.....Yeah right!!
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Just out of curiosity, did you come to visit us because of the Tiger Klay thread? I always find it interesting how one thread leads to interesting things in others eventually.
I couldn't help but notice you're a Krav guy from Texas.
Originally Posted by Obi.1
Well, I know what you're thinking. I've hit elbows as well as kicked them and it hurt me as much, if not more, than who I hit.
However, they are referring to a technique where the attacker is struck with a closed fist to their fully-extended arm at the elbow joint. Why they say they love it, I don't know.
Again, not trying to defend the system. It's just a technique I remember when I trained in it.
Originally Posted by Don Gwinn
Nah, never heard of Tiger Klay until your posting. LOL. I did some quick referencing and see that he has been quite busy attaining all those credentials. I can't remember how I found this thread to be honest.
And, yeah, I do Krav down in the Austin area. Just started since we just moved here. So far I like it. It is a stand-alone Krav center....no ATA or anything like that. It suits my preference exactly so I'm happy.
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