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    They are planning on abandoning the BMI. BMI doesn't take into account if you are old (more fat, less heavy muscles). Doesn't take into account Bone density.


    Some nutritionist at my school told me as people drink less milk the rate of obesity rose over the years (didn't ask what source she got this from). This doesn't show cause and effect, but maybe that extra calcium has a role in metabolism we don't know about yet. SKIM milk, anyone? I guess if you are just drinking water and but eating a lot of other nutrient rich foods, then that should yield all the nutrients you need to produce enzymes for an active metabolism without the 999999999999 unnecessary calories you get in pop, or even in orange juice..

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    Do you know what other body composition measurement is going to replace the BMI? BMIs were never accurate, that's for sure.

    Regarding milk and fat-burning (or at least obesity prevention), I found this (take it with a grain of salt :P)

    http://www.webmd.com/news/20000417/calcium-low-fat-diet

    Well, the rise on obesity has also been linked (more firmly I guess) on an increase of starch, sugars and refined grained in the diets as well as the size of the portions.
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    Skinfold measurement is probably the most effective, at least in terms of cost/effectiveness ratio.

    Underwater weighing is supposed to be really accurate and i think DEXA is now the gold standard but neither are cheap or widely available.

    Bio-impedance
    is popular but in my experience it's crap. I used one and it measured my body fat at 5%. It was between 9-10% with skinfold measurements.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teh El Macho
    Do you know what other body composition measurement is going to replace the BMI? BMIs were never accurate, that's for sure.

    Regarding milk and fat-burning (or at least obesity prevention), I found this (take it with a grain of salt :P)

    http://www.webmd.com/news/20000417/calcium-low-fat-diet

    Well, the rise on obesity has also been linked (more firmly I guess) on an increase of starch, sugars and refined grained in the diets as well as the size of the portions.
    On milk, interesting side article -
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/4199822a10.html

    the "devil" in milk - an brief piece on A1 beta-casein vs. A2 beta-casein

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    They found better correlation with Cardiovascular disease using the Waist to Hip Ratio, than the BMI. If you guys want to articles, I am sure I can search and find them.

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    Great article, too bad it turned into a body measurement debate. I think the important point is that it's hard to follow these general and very important basic rules (thats why so many people choose to ignore them and focus on micronutrients or whatever is the popular new thing of the day) but without following these more basic rules none of the 'smaller' dietary things you do are going to make a noticeable difference. Any examples of a diet following these rules? I am getting tired of leafy green tuna salads...

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    I think this needs to be updated. After reading more from Dr. John M Berardi, Ph.D, he now has 10 rules in his free Gourmet Nutrition ebook (you get it when you register at Percision Nutrition), which are also mentioned in some of his other articles. They're just an expansion on the original 7.
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    The link to protein prejudice up top doesn't work anymore. Not sure if this is the same article http://www.t-nation.com/free_online_...tein_prejudice

    But getting back to Berardi's habits. How do you eat carbs in only 1 meal per day? I just can't wrap my head around what I'd eat if I couldn't fill up on grains.

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    double post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lindz View Post
    The link to protein prejudice up top doesn't work anymore. Not sure if this is the same article http://www.t-nation.com/free_online_...tein_prejudice

    But getting back to Berardi's habits. How do you eat carbs in only 1 meal per day? I just can't wrap my head around what I'd eat if I couldn't fill up on grains.
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