Aikido osae (immobilization)

**Virus** · Posted On: 4/14/2007 4:26am

The "real fight" contunium:

T3h real fight--------------MMA--------------------------------------------------------------------------TMA

No aggression in sportfighting? Please! It's well known in every combat sport from boxing to BJJ that being aggressive gets the goods.

**Goju - Joe** · Posted On: 4/14/2007 8:01am

agression alone =/= fighting

Football agression- yes, fighting no

Hockey agression -yes, fighting sometimes

Grappling agression -yes, fighting sometimes.

**Virus** · Posted On: 4/14/2007 8:00pm

Originally Posted by jtkarate

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mixed_martial_arts

ok how about this one?

Mixed martial arts (MMA) is a combat sport in which a wide variety of fighting techniques are used, including striking and grappling.

I'll give you that mma is as close to a real fight as possible, but it still has rules and the lack of aggression that usually comes with a real fight. If you are not in fear for your life how can that be called combat or a real fight.

If you do it for points or money it is still a sport.

The rules prevent a person from using alot of things that may be relevant in a real fight. How many times have we heard somone say if they were in a real fight they would never kick somone in the head. But time and again we have seen mma fighters knock someone out with a good roundhouse to the head...Gilbert yvel vs Gary Goodridge ...Cro Cop vs everyone...just to name a couple.

Please tell us how your Chong shin kwan training is more like a fight than MMA.

**twKoxinga** · Posted On: 4/14/2007 10:24pm

A lot of things that may be relevant in a real fight? Are you referring to Eye gouges, low blows, etc? Because although they might help, theres a high possibility that it won't end the fight. Yuki Nakai was eyegouged until he became blind in one eye and he won his fight. Hitting the groin, the person might still have enough energy to beat the **** out of you before the pain really sets in. Also, in order to do many of these things effectively, one must be better than the opponent to begin with/have better positioning while grappling.

Are the mma fighters who are insanely good at high roundhouse kicks the people saying that they would never kick someone in the head? if not, then that comment has nothing to do with what the mma fighters do, because that is one of their best techniques, and they know when to capitalize on a chance to use it.

**Epicurus** · Posted On: 4/16/2007 12:05am

Originally Posted by Virus

Please tell us how your Chong shin kwan training is more like a fight than MMA.

DING DING DING

Virus gets a million kabillion dollars.

Every "MMA is not combat!" argument seems inconclusive to me. Of course it's not the same as a fight to the death. BUT! It is almost certainly as close as you can get on a regular basis. Almost no-one claims that MMA IS combat, and it's a hell of a lot closer than 99% of TMAs. So what does it prove to say that MMA is not combat? How does it weaken the view that MMA is an excellent proving ground for fighters, training methods and fighting styles?