Gerard Gordoue(SP?), The Nazi?

**Skullbuster** · Posted On: 7/28/2007 2:30pm

The Nazis adopted the salute from the original American "Pledge of Alliance" -salute:

http://rexcurry.net/pledge-of-allegiance-images.html

**Tonuzaba** · Posted On: 7/28/2007 2:34pm

Originally Posted by Skullbuster

The Nazis adopted the salute from the original American "Pledge of Alliance" -salute:
http://rexcurry.net/pledge-of-allegiance-images.html

Rex curry chicken masala my ass!
What a first post... Wow!

**Skullbuster** · Posted On: 7/29/2007 6:08am

... actually, to deduce from the fact that this gesture was used in the American flag worshipping practice before the Nazis used it, might be a case of post hoc, ergo propter hoc -fallacy. More plausible is that the Nazi salute was dropped from the "pledge of alliance" because of the German loss in the WWII.

About the Swastikas in the Far East, not only are they used as religious symbols, but people there are aware of the Nazi connection - it's a typical decoration in popular beer serving Hitler bars:

http://www.who-sucks.com/people/dini...rs-restaurants

**Tonuzaba** · Posted On: 7/29/2007 8:13am

Originally Posted by Skullbuster

... actually, to deduce from the fact that this gesture was used in the American flag worshipping practice before the Nazis used it, might be a case of post hoc, ergo propter hoc -fallacy. More plausible is that the Nazi salute was dropped from the "pledge of alliance" because of the German loss in the WWII.

About the Swastikas in the Far East, not only are they used as religious symbols, but people there are aware of the Nazi connection - it's a typical decoration in popular beer serving Hitler bars:

http://www.who-sucks.com/people/dini...rs-restaurants

While there are disturbingly funny pics/information in the link you provided, I still can't clearly see the connection of your posts to the topics of this thread.
The swastika is an ancient Asian symbol that was also (mis)used by the National Socialists of Germany - I don't believe this piece of information is new to anybody here nor do I think does it express your opinion about whether or not G. Gordeau used his right arm with the intent to salute in a Nazi way.

**Skullbuster** · Posted On: 7/30/2007 2:25pm

Originally Posted by Tonuzaba

While there are disturbingly funny pics/information in the link you provided, I still can't clearly see the connection of your posts to the topics of this thread.
The swastika is an ancient Asian symbol that was also (mis)used by the National Socialists of Germany - I don't believe this piece of information is new to anybody here nor do I think does it express your opinion about whether or not G. Gordeau used his right arm with the intent to salute in a Nazi way.

well, suppose G. Gordeau was a nazi and he wanted to get some love from the audience by doing a Hitler salute on the - how come nobody noticed it then? It would have raised objections, I would guess. To settle the matter watching clips and photos is like trying to decide if , say " George Bush jr is a satanist" because some pictures have captured his fingers in position reminding the way Beavis and Butthead keep their hands while listening o heavvy metal - it's silly.

I don't know if G. Gordeau is a Nazi, probably not.

And regardless of pictures, George W Bush jr is not a Satanist.

http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/False...s_of_satan.htm

**sochin101** · Posted On: 7/30/2007 2:56pm

You had me right up to this...

Originally Posted by Skullbuster

And regardless of pictures, George W Bush jr is not a Satanist.

:happy7::tongue5::happy7:

**RegularJoe** · Posted On: 8/08/2007 1:15pm

Cant say anything about that Swastika, but the salute is a Savate salute, kinda the same way the asian martial arts bow.

:sniperdan

**Matt W.** · Posted On: 8/08/2007 1:34pm

From what I remember of Clyde Gentry in No Holds Barred, as has been mentioned, Gordeau said that he was Jewish and he'd lost all his family in WWII. It was also described as a savate salute, though Gentry noted that Gordeau looked like a 'Neo-Nazi poster boy', given his build and blonde hair.

I am reading that book now and you are exactly right about Gentry claims.

**Chuan** · Posted On: 8/09/2007 10:53am

Originally Posted by RegularJoe

Cant say anything about that Swastika,
:sniperdan

Here is a small snippet from an actual historical journal on the history.

W.G.V.Balchin, "The Swastika," Folklore, Vol.55, No. 4 (Dec 1944).
< http://links.jstor.org/sici?sici=001...3E2.0.CO%3B2-I > (9 august 2007).

Soon we shall see the suppression and disappearance of the most
notorious of these symbols-the swastika. But before casting it into the
darkness, which is its due, it is interesting to reflect how the Nazis have
probably altered for all time mankind's attitude and feeling towards
this peculiar and historic symbol. For strange as it may seem the swastika
has a place in the history or ancient history of most peoples either
as a charm, sign of good luck or in some cases as a religious symbol.
These facts might have influenced the Nazis when they chose the swastika
as their symbol, although they appear to have been introduced to it via
the ex-Baltic soldiers of the Great War who brought the design home from
Finland. Many of these veterans joined the Nationalist corps built up to
oppose the post-war German republican Government and they used the
swastika as their badge. Thus the symbol was already associated with a
form of extreme nationalism even before it was adopted by the Nazis.

The name " swastika ", by which the symbol is universally known, is a
Sanskrit word which has only comparatively recently come into general
use. It was known in Anglo-Saxon England as the Fylfat-fower foot or
four foot. Earlier anthropologists thought that the symbol was of Aryan
origin and that its wide use was related to the dispersal of Aryan peoples
throughout Europe and Asia. This idea has been exploited by Hitler's
propagandists; but they have not mentioned that the symbol is also known
to have had an early existence in America long before there was any
historic connection between the Old and the New World.

Positive evidence of the origin and early migrations of the symbol is
now lost in the mists of antiquity: it has been found in most parts of the
world and in cultures dating back to the Bronze Age. Paleolithic and
Neolithic examples are not known but it may have been employed in
decorative work only to disappear along with most of the products and
implements of these periods. The anthropologist can with certainty
however ascribe to the swastika a pre-historic origin. Throughout
Western Europe from the Mediterranean Sea to the Arctic Ocean the
symbol was used in the Bronze Age as a common decorative device on
Collectanea pottery, ceintures and bronze fibulae. In the third, fourth and fifth cities
of ancient Troy it seems to have been in great vogue on spindle whorls
and later on the Greeks used it on pottery and gold and bronze ornaments.

**Nathan McScary** · Posted On: 8/11/2007 3:07pm

Human Weapon yesterday was all about Savate. In several of the shots, you can even see some fighters doing the Savate salute that looks like the nazi salute. The hosts even indirectly mentioned Gordeau at the begining when they said "A savate fighter even made it all the way to the finals in the very first UFC."