Posted On:8/24/2003 3:31pm
I was planning on doing a bench press workout tomorrow. I'm going to try the muscle tension thing and see what happens.
As far as soreness and recovery, I have experienced something that directly relates to this subject. For a while I was doing my bench press workouts as follows:
1st workout: 3 sets with an amount of weight I could do 8-9 reps with.
The next time I did bench, I added enough weight that I could only do 7-8 reps per set.
I continued with this on each successive workout until I had an amount of weight that I could only do 3 sets of 2 reps with.
On the next workout, I would drop the weight again, do 8-9 reps, and start the process all over again.
The interesting thing about this was that the first couple of workouts (7-9 rep range) left me with soreness and fatigue in my chest and triceps the next day, whereas the heavier workouts did not do this at all.
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Posted On:8/24/2003 5:43pm
FD I think you mean you do 3 sets of 15 repititions. Is that correct? ex: 15 pullups, rest 15 pullups, rest, 15 pullups.
Phrost, he seems to advocate what I heard called "superslow" reps several years ago. As I recall, and seems to be verified by what you wrote, this type of workout emphasised "time under tension". As I recall there was an equal amount of evidence on either side of this theory. It is nonetheless something that I work into my workouts periodically.
My one concern is that to my understanding muscle is built up through the tearing of muscle fibers. This tearing is the post workout soreness you experience. I've never read anyting that refuted the old adage "no pain, no gain" when it came to building strength.
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Posted On:8/24/2003 7:06pm
Fine, just ignore me then fuckers :)
I posted threads about Pavel and his training method six plus months ago.
I even detailed how you could train according to his 'Power to the People' book.
I have most of his work.
Power to the People
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Ebook versions are available at www.dragondoor.com.
I don't have his kettlebell stuff - mainly 'cause getting kettlebells to Australia is a bastard.
Pavel has just started writing for MuscleMedia magazine (Bill 'Body for Life' Phillips) providing much needed useful information in the sea of bullshit that is newstand strength training.
He has a great article in one of the latest issues about 'ladder training'.
Basically using sets of 1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,etc (until you can't do anymore) on pullups in order to massive amounts of reps. Its quite a refreshing change for people that want a change in their pullups routine.
Pavel doesn't emphasise superslow.
Superslow is something very different again. Check it out here:
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Posted On:8/25/2003 12:14am
Style: Muay Thai and boxing
Dochter, yes you are correct. Thank for clearing that part up.
Phrost I can do almost all excrises with a 40 or 45 lbs for 10 rep each. But I work with 15 and 20 lbs dumbbells. My goal is to try gain weight SLOWLY! About 3 or 4 lbs per month and still keep my speed, flexible and agile. Basically I work out to get rid of all stress and tone up also it feel good to work out. I also want to get my endurance to point where almost no one can even gasses me out.
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Posted On:8/25/2003 4:19pm
Guy Who Pays the Bills and Gets the Death Threats Style: MMA (Retired)
Just a little followup:
I woke up this morning a bit sore, but not as sore as I've felt from isolation type workouts. And the presses I did blasted my chest much more than I'd ever done with dumbell flys. I think this is a result of my greater focus on the lifts, combined with the tension recommended in the book.
Busy as hell today, so I'll do the "pulling" part of the workout tomorrow. I'm not sure if I should split up the "pushing/pulling" exercises to seperate days, but it seems more logical so that one muscle group is resting while another is being worked.
Posted On:8/25/2003 4:35pm
Bah dumbbell flies (proper plural?) are for bodybuilders <img src=icon_smile_tongue.gif border=0 align=middle>
ForM, Yeah I recall those posts (where I originally came across the site mentioned) but the topic re-arose recently after I went over my run through the Mir routine. As for superslows the site you mentioned gave me nothing but popups and applications for training programs but I think I get the difference.
P.S. I still don't totally like the chest&tri and back&bis splits but I'm starting to feel left out in the cold on that one. If only recover time weren't an issue.
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Posted On:8/25/2003 6:07pm
hmm, sorry about the Superslow sight.
It used to have a lot of good info on there.
It has apparently now been changed to where you have to pay for everything ($1.50 for article, WTF?)
Posted On:8/25/2003 7:19pm
You get a cut from the site?
Are you (weren't you?) still injuried and unable to do much lifting?
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Posted On:8/25/2003 7:31pm
Did my bench press workout today. I was pleasantly surprised to find that the all-over muscle tension thing DID add power to my lifts. I think that it might pay off even more in the long run once I get used to it (felt kind of awkward today since I had never done this before).
Posted On:8/25/2003 7:45pm
No I didn't take any articles, I didn't realise they would change it to a Pay-per-view site.
Its seems bizarre since the articles obviously explain and hype up the Superslow method in order for you to buy their products (as in most sites designed to sell something) So now they are making you pay to read the hype ??
No I'm not injured, but I have switched to bodyweight exercises to see if they better replicate martial arts (I include pullups and dips as bodyweight exercises...)
I am enjoying them greatly. My flexibilty has increased massively from back and neck bridging and my endurance and speed have gone up as well.
Also, the fact I'm not sore from lifting has meant I can go harder during MA class.
I tapped out one of the instructors with an armbar, and then immediatley went against another one of the instructors who I lost to via a leglock - but he then admitted he was glad he was able to finish me because he was about to suggest we stop due to exhaustion.
I plan to reintroduce lifting but plan to stick to the deadlift only using Pavels methods. As you know I'm not a fan of using bodybuilding methods in strength training - although your comment about the bicep curl helping you avoid armbars gave me something to think about, I'd never considered that... :)
Have you heard of the 'grapplers toolbox' ?
It features solo drills to do in order to be able to move your body more efficiently. I want to write a review for Bullshido but the movements are so bizarre its hard to describe :)
I shall have to wait to see if my ability improves over time to see if these drills are truly useful.
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