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  1. Teh El Macho is offline
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    PizDof beat me to it, but yeah, your body grows as a whole. When it comes to chest, as an example, you bench press to engage your chest muscles, and you squat to maximise the gains.

    Mind you, it doesn't have to be squats. It could be deadlifts or leg presses, but squats seem to be the best for most people.

    Quote Originally Posted by GIJoe6186
    If I remember right, Angry Spastic has some problems with his legs, mostly that they dont work, he cant walk. Am I right? So I dont think Squats or Deads will help much.
    Yeah, I completely forgot about that detail.

    One of the second best ways to maximise growth (and this is my own personal wild guess) is to do push ups until the cows come home. Unlike bench press, where it doesn't make sense to do high-rep sets all the times, you need to do lots of push ups for them to have any value.

    They won't make big, but they can make you extremelly and obscenely dense (muscularly speaking.) Unlike bench presses, push ups hit more than the pecs/shoulders/triceps triumvirate. They hit wrists, forearms, biceps (if you try to squeeze the hands together on the way up), abdominals and lower back. I've seen people with brutal forearms from push ups alone (well almost).

    So, as in Angry's case, if a person cannot do squats, push ups until the cows come home are another good (but not nearly as good) alternative.

    I'm going to digress a bit to talk about push ups:

    First, ideally, a person should be able to do 60 push ups, non-stop, in one single set in less than 90 seconds. That should be one test of fitness and strenght, a baseline per say. Again, let me say this again... a baseline.

    Second, a lot of people pay lip service to push ups. Don't be one of those.

    Third, and most importantly, a lot of people either don't know what to do with them, or complicate things unnecessarily and never get to use push ups as well as they could.

    A good push up routine would involve a very high number of reps, in the order of hundreds. How can that be done? Simple: drop to the floor and do 30 to 40 push ups in good form and as fast as possible after every other major compound set you do, be it squats, barbell rows, etc.

    Now, when you can't do squats, then mix push ups with some other bodyweight you can do, abdominals for example.

    All you have to do to get a high number of push ups is to do them 30 to 40 at a time with no more than one minute of rest in between. Do 5 sets of 40 and you already have 200. Do 10 sets of 30, and you get 300.

    You can do something like this (in a mini-routine apart from whatever else you do):

    30-40 push ups
    20-30 ab crunches
    10 back extensions (body flat on the floor)
    1 minute break

    Repeat 5-6 times. Do that everyday, or every other day, in addition to whatever else you do (biceps, triceps, whatever). It won't make you big, but it will make you dense and stronger.

    It's not only the amount of weight that's important; the intensity and the effort done during a workout is what makes or breaks things. Without the proper intensity, your body, your apetite and your metabolism will never change.

    Good luck.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FromBehind
    I don't know if Post #8 is the best answer....
    When lifting you create micro-tears in your muscles, these heal and you grow.



    Squats are necessary to maximise upper body growth. You will still see gain upper body if you do not work your lower body, but eventually gains will slow. Working your whole body will maximise these gains.
    Your body grows as a whole.

    I'm not going to pretend to know more than you all, but my answer does play a factor even if it is just a minor one.

    When your body needs to build new tissue, you produce more testerone. Testosterone and estrogen, to a lesser degree, make the body generate new tissue faster. When you work the legs really good, that's a lot of tissue that needs to heal.
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    Lacking video evidence in this case, I will claim my current throat infection of some sort made me create a sub-par post. So here I go again...

    I agree with what you stated in the above post. Though intensity or duraction of exercise was not mentioned; doing a real man's leg day will take a lot of healing and thereby use more testosterone.

    I like to do a good lower back/core workout and a good leg workout at least one every two weeks. MA and upper body split when I can. I have thick legs from sprinting around in soccer.

    My main point was that working your lower body maximises upper body gains.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GIJoe6186
    If I remember right, Angry Spastic has some problems with his legs, mostly that they dont work, he cant walk. Am I right? So I dont think Squats or Deads will help much.
    I can outrun my brother's main squeeze.

    So yes, I can walk.
    What am I?:

    I am ignorant, thieving, lying, hypocrital, violent and thoroughly self obssessed. I steal from others to make myself look better, only to make the item or information worse.

    I go on and on and ON about how brave and strong and brilliant and wealthy I am, but in the end I'm all mouth and no trousers.

    That's right children, I'm your average AMERICUNT! and I exemplify AMERICA!:911flag:

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    Okay, here's typical of my exercises

    -One hand clutching another. Pull away from your hand which you have placed under the other hand.
    -Walking
    -Stomping the ground
    -Practising the RNC/sleeper/ice cream and jelly hold
    -Practising the fullnelson
    -Finding something suitably padded and headbutting punching and kicking the **** out of it
    - Pushups from the knees (better for my abs)
    - Simple breath control
    What am I?:

    I am ignorant, thieving, lying, hypocrital, violent and thoroughly self obssessed. I steal from others to make myself look better, only to make the item or information worse.

    I go on and on and ON about how brave and strong and brilliant and wealthy I am, but in the end I'm all mouth and no trousers.

    That's right children, I'm your average AMERICUNT! and I exemplify AMERICA!:911flag:

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    Yes, through persistent lack of work and the cultivation of ignorance, he is a true American.
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    I'm glad to see you are including push ups in your routine. That gives you a lot of opportunities to increase the intensity and variety in your workouts. Because at the end of the day, we all require change and increased intensity to force our bodies to adapt and get stronger.

    My suggestion to start is to change the width and position of your hands when doing push ups. It's hard to explain, and this is something I've seen both in MA clips as well as in PT sessions (for people recovering from accidents). I'm gonna try to get some pics tonight to better explain this.

    Also, since you do hand clinchs, which are also good, have you tried small wrist weights or dumbells and your biceps through your full range of motion? Hand clinchs are good, but they are almost strictly isometric. There is no gradual increase in resistance, and after a while, your body will adapt to it and won't make any progress.

    This may be why you don't see further changes in your apetite and weight. I'm just guessing since I may not have the full picture.
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    The street argument is retarded. BJJ is so much overkill for the street that its ridiculous. Unless you're the idiot that picks a fight with the high school wrestling team, barring knife or gun play, the opponent shouldn't make it past double leg + ground and pound - Osiris
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    I have dumbells. Cast iron.
    What am I?:

    I am ignorant, thieving, lying, hypocrital, violent and thoroughly self obssessed. I steal from others to make myself look better, only to make the item or information worse.

    I go on and on and ON about how brave and strong and brilliant and wealthy I am, but in the end I'm all mouth and no trousers.

    That's right children, I'm your average AMERICUNT! and I exemplify AMERICA!:911flag:

    :occasion1

    JohnnyCache's "retort" proving how much he knows about medicine and geography and First World countries:
    http://www.bullshido.net/forums/show...=78188&page=22

    Yes, through persistent lack of work and the cultivation of ignorance, he is a true American.
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    My acupuncturist put me on a special diet: No cold raw greasy or sweet foods.
    She also says people who believe poking anatomically unrelated points (Dim Mak) watch too many Kung Fu movies
    What am I?:

    I am ignorant, thieving, lying, hypocrital, violent and thoroughly self obssessed. I steal from others to make myself look better, only to make the item or information worse.

    I go on and on and ON about how brave and strong and brilliant and wealthy I am, but in the end I'm all mouth and no trousers.

    That's right children, I'm your average AMERICUNT! and I exemplify AMERICA!:911flag:

    :occasion1

    JohnnyCache's "retort" proving how much he knows about medicine and geography and First World countries:
    http://www.bullshido.net/forums/show...=78188&page=22

    Yes, through persistent lack of work and the cultivation of ignorance, he is a true American.
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    The starved African refugees around here are the biggest gluttons I've ever met.
    I really should learn from them.
    What am I?:

    I am ignorant, thieving, lying, hypocrital, violent and thoroughly self obssessed. I steal from others to make myself look better, only to make the item or information worse.

    I go on and on and ON about how brave and strong and brilliant and wealthy I am, but in the end I'm all mouth and no trousers.

    That's right children, I'm your average AMERICUNT! and I exemplify AMERICA!:911flag:

    :occasion1

    JohnnyCache's "retort" proving how much he knows about medicine and geography and First World countries:
    http://www.bullshido.net/forums/show...=78188&page=22

    Yes, through persistent lack of work and the cultivation of ignorance, he is a true American.
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    **** it, I'm going to buy a gourmet Easter bunny from the deli and bite its fucking head off
    What am I?:

    I am ignorant, thieving, lying, hypocrital, violent and thoroughly self obssessed. I steal from others to make myself look better, only to make the item or information worse.

    I go on and on and ON about how brave and strong and brilliant and wealthy I am, but in the end I'm all mouth and no trousers.

    That's right children, I'm your average AMERICUNT! and I exemplify AMERICA!:911flag:

    :occasion1

    JohnnyCache's "retort" proving how much he knows about medicine and geography and First World countries:
    http://www.bullshido.net/forums/show...=78188&page=22

    Yes, through persistent lack of work and the cultivation of ignorance, he is a true American.
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