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  1. kickin is offline

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    2/21/2006 3:59pm

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    New Information

    Quote Originally Posted by LLL
    Sorry I'm feeling bored, so I'll post some highlights from http://www.jukokai.com/

    "Juko-ryu Toide students are taught to never attempt a Toide throw unless the opponent has first been struck or kicked with a Shorin-ryu Karatejutsu technique. Thus Juko-ryu Toide was designed by Professor Sacharnoski to work in direct conjunction with Karatejutsu."

    Er... what? I can only hope the opponent is a Shorin-Ryu stylist then.

    "Professor Sacharnoski first began training in Dai Yoshin-ryu in 1954 under Professor Albert C. Church Jr., who in turn had received his training from the Yokota family of Japan. Professor Church died in 1980, and the last of the Yokota family died in the early 1990s.

    In 1997, in an effort to keep the Dai Yoshin-ryu name alive to honor the Yokota family and Professor Church, Rod Sacharnoski founded his own system of Dai Yoshin-ryu, which is a registered division of Juko-Kai International. His art retains much of what he learned in the original Yokota style."

    So, to honor an art he had learned from someone else, he claims he founded it. That's nice.

    "As many of you may know, Hatsumi Soke recently honored Dr. Sacharnoski and his accomplishments with a high grading from the Bujinkan."
    It seems like we may have been premature in judging good ole Rod.
    It turns out that Albert Church was in fact a legitimate Soke.
    Church learned a form of Daito Ryu Aikijujutsu from Kim Chi kooh, a Korean who also inherited and ancient Chinese system. He left the style to Church who travelled to Japan and won recognition as Soke.

    This has been verified by Guy Power Sensei of Nakamura Ryu.
    Soke Ted Petit, the current Soke of what Church renamed Nippon Kamishin Ryu, needed support to get recognition as Soke from the International Society of HeadFounders and Headfamily. Guy Power translated and verified all of the documents for him and the ISHH gave him the sokeship.

    Being that Church is now confirmed as having been a true and legitimate Soke, his association with Rod Sacharnoski gives Rod a little more weight and is just as much authorized to approve these sokeships as Guy Power, Church and John Williams are.
  2. Lane is offline
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    2/21/2006 9:16pm


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    No one is a legitimate head of a Japanese classical art without recognition from Japan, not some contrived international organization.

    Koryu.com does not list this branch of Daito Ryu as being officially recognized by the Japanese honbu.

    Sorry, this guy hasn't been confirmed as a "soke" of anything.
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    2/21/2006 11:10pm

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    Ordinarily I would agree

    But what do you do when an American with such credentials as Guy Power, who is also a respected historian decalres that someone is in fact a Soke? As has been done in the case of Albert Church.

    Do you consider the person that made that declaration to be a "sell out" and ignore the soke dokey? Or does a respected scholars words carry weight?

    Maybe there is a better forum for this quastion.
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    2/22/2006 12:32am

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    Looks like there is a bit of an identity crisis, is it Korean or Japanese. There is very little cross cultural acceptance in those days so that is null.

    That makes the whole thing pretty suspect and would need to be verified by someone much more up on that stuff than I.
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    2/22/2006 1:17am


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    Sure. Ask away at e-budo.

    Guy Power is not a koryu authority. He may be a high ranking JSA sensei, but he's not a koryu authority. In fact, Nakamura-ha Toyama Ryu is gendai.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kickin
    But what do you do when an American with such credentials as Guy Power, who is also a respected historian decalres that someone is in fact a Soke? As has been done in the case of Albert Church.

    Do you consider the person that made that declaration to be a "sell out" and ignore the soke dokey? Or does a respected scholars words carry weight?

    Maybe there is a better forum for this quastion.
    Even the relationship between Rod and Church should be questioned. I have a letter written to the editor of Black Belt magazine from Rod Sacharnoski, that clearly admits that he was not a student of Albert Church. I think they were both involved in some martial art related "schemes", but little else.
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