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  1. adouglasmhor is offline
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     Style: Yon Mu Kwan Hapkido

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    Quote Originally Posted by Takeno
    The greatest KI masters could stop bullets. It was the fear that led their students to getting killed by bullets.

    I couldn't agree more. The students were scared and died. The masters were scared, too. But they got to stay behind. The Indians have a saying that a "wise chief stays up on the hill and watches as the young bucks go into battle and die." Pretty much typical of any comflict, wouldn't you say?

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     Style: Wu style tcc+bjj

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    Quote Originally Posted by glad2bhere
    WARNING : Long-haired history stuff!!

    The dynamics of Life-energy (Chi), its nature, flow, impedance and so forth have been used to explain health, or its lack for a great many generations in Asia. Its not altogether uniquely Chinese but a lot of people refer to "Chinese Medicine" in the general sense when they start talking about it.

    Now, in the 18th century---- 1700-s----- there were a number of experiences such as the TAIPING Rebellion and the Opium Wars that thoroughly shook the Chinese people's confidence in their own government. People began to look to societies such as the WHITE LOTUS and BIG SWORD societies for help and protection. These societies looked for ways to connect-up the two biggest and most respected areas of Chinese culture in everyday life --- Martial Arts and mysticism. Putting these two things together, a lot of practices that had some authentic basis such as physical conditining and Chinese medicine got "pushed-over the edge" as it were. For instance, if a little conditioning could stop a punch, and more conditioning could stop a kick, it just followed that a whole lotta conditioning could stop a bullet, right? The same thing happened with things like accupuncture and accupressure. If a PP could couse a result, and a number of PP could cause dramatic results, then a whole lot of points, under VERY SPECIAL circumstances, could cause death, right? The fact that occasionally a person died from what we now know to be concusions, sub-dural hematoma, ruptured cardial sacs and the like just supported the idea.

    Unfortunately people have been selling the whole DIM MAK thing for many years now as a kind of mystical short-ctu to "ultimate power". Fact is that even if such skills DID exist it would take an unbelieveable amount of time and commitment that practically noone would be willing to give to it. Fact is that most people bearly make it to regular classes in the average MA as it is. FWIW.

    Best Wishes,

    Bruce
    A few corrections... The Taiping rebellion and the opium wars ninjaninjaninjaninja to the mid 1800's as the Qing dynasty showed weakness from outside and within. The White Lotus Society ninjaninjaninjaninjad from the Yuan dynasty as an organization seeking to restore Chinese rule and overthrow the ruling Mongols. Later, such secret societies either rebelled or offered support to rebellion.

    The other stuff is plausible.
    Anyone who has the power to make you believe absurdities has the power to make you commit injustices.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Kagan
    "Chi means air. How do you cultivate Chi? Breathe so you don't die." -- Moy Yat
    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Kagan
    "Two hands, two eyes, two ears, one brain, one mouth. You do the math and stop annoying me." -- Moy Yat.
    Can I get a book of these things or something? They continue to amaze me.



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    Quote Originally Posted by meataxe
    A few corrections... The Taiping rebellion and the opium wars ninjaninjaninjaninja to the mid 1800's as the Qing dynasty showed weakness from outside and within. The White Lotus Society ninjaninjaninjaninjad from the Yuan dynasty as an organization seeking to restore Chinese rule and overthrow the ruling Mongols. Later, such secret societies either rebelled or offered support to rebellion.

    The other stuff is plausible.

    Opppsss.... my bad. You are absolutely correct. S/B "19th century" and "1800-s".

    Apologies all the way around and thanks for the correction.

    Best Wishes,

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dagon Akujin
    Can I get a book of these things or something? They continue to amaze me.



    Dagon

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    They are something which seeped into the depths of consciousness for whomever spent enough time with him.

    If you pressed me to come up with a list, I doubt I'd be able to. But, if I hear or read the right thing, they pop up and out my mouth or fingers.
    Calm down, it's only ones and zeros.

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    Perhaps it is because of the heat from practitioners' hands causing him to melt.
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    The calligraphy in that picture ("Zen bitch") is terrible.
    Anyway, qi: wacky idea, really. It may or may not be true, but is it necessary for martial arts? Don't think so. Just working on the body mechanics can create massively powerful strikes without recourse to qi, and even the "mind power" concept doesn't need qi. Example - rooting. The concept of rooting is using imagery to make yourself think you are rooted to the ground - at least, that seems like a common concept of rooting to me. In old theory, that was so that the qi in your body would root you to ground, pulsing into the earth and holding you there. What makes more sense, however, is that imaging that scenario passively activates muscles in the legs so that the root and balance is more stable - ergo, it is simply a mental and muscular activity, and there is no need to even think of qi. If there's no need for it, why use the concept at all?
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    4/12/2007 8:52am


     Style: My Jong Law Horn Kung Fu

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    I'm with socratic and kwoww. I tend to think Qi is a useful kinesiological model that allows one to make sense of the results of particular practices. I don't think it's "real", and definitely shouldn't be relied on as any sort of "power" in itself, but it helps to have a mental tool for focussing on things like proper breathing, cardio/circulation, and correct body mechanics. If another model or visualization tool works better (or if you're content dealing with the mechanics themselves) then no big deal.

    In my training, qi is rarely discussed. Instead, things are usually discussed in modern terms.
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