218357 Bullies, 4859 online  
  • Register
Our Sponsors:

Results 1 to 8 of 8
Sponsored Links Spacer Image
  1. The Question is offline
    The Question's Avatar

    Octopussy!

    Join Date
    Mar 2007
    Posts
    5,605

    Posted On:
    3/18/2007 11:34pm

    Join us... or die
     Style: Striking/Grappling/Poking

    --
    Hell yeah! Hell no!

    Bulking, then cutting, vs just training

    I got into an argument with a friend of mine over taining methods. He is widely read in areas of health and fitness, I usually don't read. Not that I can't, I just don't wanna. His methods are: eating a lot, maintainig a strict diet (he weighs his food and such), and sticking to a strict workout plan. He has gained muscle as well as fat, but plans to cut the fat soon. I think his method will work great.
    My method inovlves going to the gym for a couple hours , lifting some weights (3 days per week), having a shake, and then going to train for a couple hours. On days I don't lift, I still train for 1 or 2 hours. I've managed to gain muscle, but not fat (or at least not too much fat). According to my widely read friend, bulking and the cutting would maximize by muscle gains. Is this true? Is it better to eat more, gain, then cut later. Is this feasible while training for 7 hours per week?
  2. Liffguard is offline
    Liffguard's Avatar

    Welterweight

    Join Date
    Apr 2004
    Location
    UK
    Posts
    564

    Posted On:
    3/19/2007 6:05am

    supporting member
     Style: BJJ

    --
    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    First things first, what are you training for? Maximising muscle gains is all well and good, but it might not be in the best interest of your goals.
    Dedicated to legs and the disrespecting thereof.
  3. new2bjj is offline

    Senior Member

    Join Date
    Jun 2005
    Posts
    1,932

    Posted On:
    3/19/2007 10:42pm


     Style: TKD, MT, KEMPO

    --
    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    Who can kick ass better, pound for pound? Unless you guys are body building Romo's, that is all that matters.
  4. TheCount is offline

    Registered Member

    Join Date
    Jan 2007
    Posts
    85

    Posted On:
    3/20/2007 2:21pm


     Style: CQC

    --
    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    The classic Bodybuilding method is excessive volume and overfeeding aiming to try and force your muscles to get bigger. Powerlifting is similar but with lower reps.

    Basically I would say maintaining a plain rounded diet may limit you from getting your optimum growth, but it is a heck of a lot easier. Overall it is much more convenient and I'd say from the point of view of a dynamic training regime (cardio, lifting, fighting etc) it is superior to bulk/cut periods.
  5. Teh El Macho is offline
    Teh El Macho's Avatar

    Senior Member

    Join Date
    Oct 2005
    Location
    Porcupine/Hollywood, FL & Parmistan via Elbonia
    Posts
    11,762

    Posted On:
    3/20/2007 2:52pm

    supporting member
     Style: creonte on hiatus

    --
    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    Good Lord. This **** just gave me a headache.

    Quote Originally Posted by The Question
    I got into an argument with a friend of mine over taining methods. He is widely read in areas of health and fitness
    Good for him. Well, it's not a guarantee he knows his stuff, but that's the way to go.

    Quote Originally Posted by The Question
    I usually don't read. Not that I can't, I just don't wanna.
    :eusa_doh:

    You are not going to get anywhere like that, be it in bodybuilding, martial arts, or anything more complex than flipping a burguer for that matter. Now think about it. Who would be the one getting his **** right? Your friend who's well read in health and fitness... or you? You may want to rethink your aversion to reading on a subject in which you are devoting a lot of time and effort (in this case fitness.)

    Quote Originally Posted by The Question
    His methods are: eating a lot, maintainig a strict diet (he weighs his food and such), and sticking to a strict workout plan. He has gained muscle as well as fat, but plans to cut the fat soon. I think his method will work great.
    My method inovlves going to the gym for a couple hours , lifting some weights (3 days per week), having a shake, and then going to train for a couple hours. On days I don't lift, I still train for 1 or 2 hours. I've managed to gain muscle, but not fat (or at least not too much fat). According to my widely read friend, bulking and the cutting would maximize by muscle gains. Is this true? Is it better to eat more, gain, then cut later. Is this feasible while training for 7 hours per week?
    Your friend is most likely correct for what he's trying to do, to bulk up. But the question is (which has been asked already by other members), what are you training for?

    - are you training to gain weight and size?
    - are you training for strenght/power?
    - are you training to be a bodybuilder?
    - are you training to be explosive?
    - are you training for endurance?

    Those are goals which are a bit conflicting, but people have been known to train with several, seemingly conflicting goals with success. They did their reading :icon_thum

    Anyways, what are you trying to accomplish?
    Last edited by Teh El Macho; 3/20/2007 3:05pm at . Reason: typo
    Read this for flexibility and injury prevention, this, this and this for supplementation, this on grip conditioning, and this on staph. New: On strenght standards, relationships and structural balance. Shoulder problems? Read this.

    My crapuous vlog and my blog of training, stuff and crap. NEW: Me, Mrs. Macho and our newborn baby.

    New To Weight Training? Get the StrongLifts 5x5 program and Rippetoe's "Starting Strength, 2nd Ed". Wanna build muscle/gain weight? Check this article. My review on Tactical Nutrition here.

    t-nation - Dissecting the deadlift. Anatomy and Muscle Balancing Videos.

    The street argument is retarded. BJJ is so much overkill for the street that its ridiculous. Unless you're the idiot that picks a fight with the high school wrestling team, barring knife or gun play, the opponent shouldn't make it past double leg + ground and pound - Osiris
  6. The Question is offline
    The Question's Avatar

    Octopussy!

    Join Date
    Mar 2007
    Posts
    5,605

    Posted On:
    3/20/2007 11:29pm

    Join us... or die
     Style: Striking/Grappling/Poking

    --
    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    Thanks for your replies. I'm training for strength, speed and explosive power i.e. things that will make me more successful in Martial Arts. I may have exaggerated regarding my aversion to reading, I'm finishing college now, and I read too much crap as it is, didn't wanma have to read more.
  7. Teh El Macho is offline
    Teh El Macho's Avatar

    Senior Member

    Join Date
    Oct 2005
    Location
    Porcupine/Hollywood, FL & Parmistan via Elbonia
    Posts
    11,762

    Posted On:
    3/21/2007 7:59am

    supporting member
     Style: creonte on hiatus

    --
    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    If those are your targets then bulking up and cutting should not be at the top of your agenda UNLESS you feel you need to gain weight (in which case, your friend has the better approach.)

    I'd suggest you take a look at Ross Enamait's site (http://www.rosstraining.com/), see the free clips and perhaps purchase his training material. You cannot go wrong with that if those are your goals.

    Also, take a look at the stuff in http://www.bodyweightculture.com, and get familiar with basic compounds exercises such as full squats, front squats, chin ups/barbell rows, push ups/bench presses, deadlifts, overhead presses and clean/jerks.
    Read this for flexibility and injury prevention, this, this and this for supplementation, this on grip conditioning, and this on staph. New: On strenght standards, relationships and structural balance. Shoulder problems? Read this.

    My crapuous vlog and my blog of training, stuff and crap. NEW: Me, Mrs. Macho and our newborn baby.

    New To Weight Training? Get the StrongLifts 5x5 program and Rippetoe's "Starting Strength, 2nd Ed". Wanna build muscle/gain weight? Check this article. My review on Tactical Nutrition here.

    t-nation - Dissecting the deadlift. Anatomy and Muscle Balancing Videos.

    The street argument is retarded. BJJ is so much overkill for the street that its ridiculous. Unless you're the idiot that picks a fight with the high school wrestling team, barring knife or gun play, the opponent shouldn't make it past double leg + ground and pound - Osiris
  8. Donkey_Fizzle is offline

    Using Donkey Guard to Sniffz Your Feetz

    Join Date
    Dec 2006
    Location
    between the moutains and some sagebrush
    Posts
    1,697

    Posted On:
    3/21/2007 10:28am


     Style: Kick Boxing

    --
    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    Sounds like you and your friend are arguing two differnt topic completely. Seem like he is in it for muscle gains and mass and he is on the right track. Bodybuilders make the majority of thier muscle gains in the off/bulking season when they are not doing shows. It's extremely difficult to make gains (on the level they want) and maintain the ripped look needed for competition. It's like asking your car to do a 500 mile race when it only has gas for 1.

    What you say your looking for is achieved simply by maintaining a diet that feed the body the fuel it needs to sustain your workouts/lifestyle w/o over feeding. If you take a gander at most combat athletes you'll notice that the "ripped" guys are usually droping wieght to compete (or on roids al la Kimo). The normal looking guys are fighting around thier natural weight.

    You two are arguing apples and oranges. Although they are fruit. They just don't relate to one another.
    Amateur MMA record: 8-3-1
    Pro MMA record: 3-1
    Status: Semi retarded... I mean retired

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  

Powered by vBulletin™© contact@vbulletin.com vBulletin Solutions, Inc. 2011 All rights reserved.