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  1. MartialArtN00b is offline

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    3/10/2007 8:54pm


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    Bear Kungfu!

    And who says you cant learn how to fight from watching animal...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=<u><f...-Ac</font></u>

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7vvkloC-Ac
    Big bear vs small bear

    I score 2 points Big bear for the takedown at 00:41
    I score -10 points Big bear for pooping in the middle of the fight at 1:11, thats just nasty. Shouldve gotten disqualified for that.

    Small bear has a good bottom game though.

    Jokes aside.

    Whats your take on stories/myth about old chinese men looking at animals fighting and devising their own styles?
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    well, opium was popular
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    Quote Originally Posted by MartialArtN00b
    Whats your take on stories/myth about old chinese men looking at animals fighting and devising their own styles?
    There have been MA Nerds around for a long, long time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MartialArtN00b

    Whats your take on stories/myth about old chinese men looking at animals fighting and devising their own styles?
    I think it may have a lot more to do with invoking that character identified with a particular totem than actually watching the way an animal fights per se. For instance there are certain qualities associated with most animals but I don't see many of these qualities in the fighting methods atributed to watching such animals fight. Its more like trying to exude a quality commonly associated with the animal rather than actually practice the fighting method that the animal uses.

    I just re-read my post and its probably about as clear as mud. Not quite sure how to re-write to make my thought clearer. Comments?

    Best Wishes,

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    I can see that.

    We have 12 "animals" as well and there are qualities peharps that were inspired by qualities assioated with animals. But it also could just be a way to make terming easier.

    "Do Tiger" "This is simliar to Chicken" etc.

    To add some, well, I dont know, thought? In XY, Horse feels very similiar to riding on a horse and has a similiar type motion.

    I can say that I have never had to embody the essense of the <insert animal>
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    3/14/2007 4:13am


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    Hmm... that bear should've gone for a GnP etc. Oh, and would it work in the UFC? Interestingly, it seems the small bear hits a couple of the big bear's dim mak points early in the fight since he drops some of his chi by 1:10.

    Also; Overhead bear strikes from kung fu look a lot like overhead bear strikes from bears. Also, part of the point with bear forms is to look like a bear (moving in its skin) while you move (moving the hands, elbows, shoulder, knees etc. with small circles). Human martial arts were probably not inspired entirely by AMA, but they helped explain how it should work.
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    Bear is one of the shou shu animals. These are the linear, 'hard', aggressive movements of the system. The stances are low, and the center is in the hips. Handforms are more broad, like punches and hammerfists, rather than the more pinpoint strikes. As comical as this may seem to some of you, when we say we are using "bear," we are implying these traits to whatever we are working on. Its not like we are trying to mimic how a bear moves, or something, we just associate attributes to an animal, then apply the correct animal(attributes) to the correct situation, employing different strategies mid-fight, based on opponents body type, based on the users body type, etc.
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     Style: Hei Long Shou Shu

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    I aplologize for giving a serious answer, in case this thread was meant to critique the bear fight, or make fun of animal style practitioners
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    Little bear wins by TKO, it looks like. Big bear should never have taken it to the ground.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dwhomp
    I can see that.

    We have 12 "animals" as well and there are qualities peharps that were inspired by qualities assioated with animals. But it also could just be a way to make terming easier.

    "Do Tiger" "This is simliar to Chicken" etc.

    To add some, well, I dont know, thought? In XY, Horse feels very similiar to riding on a horse and has a similiar type motion.

    I can say that I have never had to embody the essense of the <insert animal>
    I was under the impression, too, that certain techniques were directly inspired by animals, such as Chicken Legs apparently being invented after the way birds walk.
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