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  1. urasj is offline

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    Posted On:
    3/11/2007 5:22pm


     Style: Karate, Judo

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alex
    what was the point of this article, apart from regurgitating crap that has been discussed a million times before?

    you're saying a ring fight isnt a bar brawl? well **** man, that is a big revelation. thanks for sharing that. and besides there is no arguement about which is better, tip tap point karate is the worst crap ever to have connotations of fighting. timing and speed? **** off, you need BETTER timing and speed when the other person is trying to knock you out and not just pitter patter your fluro pink chest protector. karate point fighting looks like some retarded game of tag with ridiculous flying punches and people falling over everytime they do something. its pathetic.

    also, theres no need to use such an annoying font.

    What chest protectors?

    From my experience though, many good WKF karateka who switch to kickboxing
    do very well. So I'd say WKF rules are ok.
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    3/11/2007 6:21pm


     Style: kickboxing

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    Quote Originally Posted by NorthWest
    It is an abomination unto God.
    And also unto Nuggen
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    Posted On:
    3/12/2007 8:30am


     Style: Muay Thai, BJJ, TKD

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    Question about that video...is it in the rulesets that they're not allowed to keep their hands up to protect their faces? What if a "fighter" just stood there with a Muay Thai guard..? Half of those "hits" wouldn't even come close to connecting...

    One redeeming quality of that video...it looks more hardcore than those NASKA/XMA point fighters...so at least they know they're learning to be able to at least kick SOMEBODY'S ass...
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    Posted On:
    3/12/2007 8:57am


     Style: karate, Ju-jitsu

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    Quote Originally Posted by DaChinkOfSteel
    Question about that video...is it in the rulesets that they're not allowed to keep their hands up to protect their faces? What if a "fighter" just stood there with a Muay Thai guard..? Half of those "hits" wouldn't even come close to connecting...

    One redeeming quality of that video...it looks more hardcore than those NASKA/XMA point fighters...so at least they know they're learning to be able to at least kick SOMEBODY'S ass...
    In point fighting, a shot to the body is better than a shot to the face becuase to much contact to the face can get you disqualified. A shot to the body that knocks the wind out of an opponent usally won't get you a violation. As a result, point fighters tend protect their body and consequently leave their heads open.
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    Posted On:
    3/12/2007 9:35am


     Style: Muay Thai, BJJ, TKD

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    K...another question...

    So how do you win a fight? By racking up points (don't flame, I realize it's called "point fighting")...or like...can you also win by immobilizing the guy or knockdowns or what (like in Kyokushin and all its derivatives)?
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    Posted On:
    3/12/2007 10:08am


     Style: karate, Ju-jitsu

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    Quote Originally Posted by DaChinkOfSteel
    K...another question...

    So how do you win a fight? By racking up points (don't flame, I realize it's called "point fighting")...or like...can you also win by immobilizing the guy or knockdowns or what (like in Kyokushin and all its derivatives)?
    In WKF, you win by allocation of points:

    1 point: any punch to the body or head

    2 points: successful 1-2 punch combiantion
    a kick to the body
  7. ray jackson is offline

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    Posted On:
    3/12/2007 10:13am


     Style: karate, Ju-jitsu

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    Quote Originally Posted by DaChinkOfSteel
    K...another question...

    So how do you win a fight? By racking up points (don't flame, I realize it's called "point fighting")...or like...can you also win by immobilizing the guy or knockdowns or what (like in Kyokushin and all its derivatives)?
    In WKF, you win by allocation of points:

    1 point: any punch to the body or head

    2 points: successful 1-2 punch combiantion
    a kick to the body
    sweep (unbalancing, not take down) followed by a punch
    a punch to the back of your opponent

    3 points: kick to the head
    take down or throw followed by punch

    you can also score points via your opponent commiting fouls such as running out of bounds, illegal shots and (groin, knee, excessive contact).

    points are determined heavily by technique so if it doesn't look "good", you probably won't get the point.
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    Posted On:
    3/12/2007 10:49am


     Style: Judo

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    Quote Originally Posted by ray jackson
    points are determined heavily by technique so if it doesn't look "good", you probably won't get the point.
    Therein lies the bullshit - the scoring validity of your technique depends on how the Ref on the mat plus the 2 or 3 other corner judges view it.
    Your opponent could be lying on his back gasping for air after your lethal reverse punch, but if none of the match officials saw it, or it didn't live up to their view of a scoring technique, you could be **** out of luck.

    This match is a good example of that kind of crap.
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    Posted On:
    3/12/2007 11:17am


     Style: karate, Ju-jitsu

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    Northwest,

    Good example, and I agree, that's the whole problem with point sparring. Because it's low contact, you can either go by criteria that bases itself on the principle that one can only count technique that looks like it was strong or ideal (WKF) or go by criteria that counts whatever lands first regardless of effectiveness, ie local point sparring comps, where people flail at each other.


    The WKF is about worthwile as point sparring gets, so I guess that tells you just how valuable that kind of competition is in determining ability.
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    Posted On:
    3/12/2007 11:31am


     Style: Muay Thai, BJJ, TKD

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    Quote Originally Posted by NorthWest
    Therein lies the bullshit - the scoring validity of your technique depends on how the Ref on the mat plus the 2 or 3 other corner judges view it.
    Your opponent could be lying on his back gasping for air after your lethal reverse punch, but if none of the match officials saw it, or it didn't live up to their view of a scoring technique, you could be **** out of luck.

    This match is a good example of that kind of crap.
    Is that why none of those takedowns with punches scored?....b/c they weren't pretty enough?!

    BTW...that match was BS...blue got his ass handidly kicked...but b/c he was the faster glorified tagger, he won?! I guess he "played to the rules" or whatever...but my god!
    Last edited by DaChinkOfSteel; 3/12/2007 11:34am at .
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